Posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:00 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was one, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame. My mother used homeopathy, aromatherapy, osteopathy, we took daily supplements of vitamin C, echinacea, cod liver oil.
I had an outdoor lifestyle; I grew up next to a farm, walked everywhere, did sports and danced twice a week, drank plenty of water. I wasn’t even allowed pop; even my fresh juice was watered down to protect my teeth, and I would’ve killed for white, shop-bought bread in my lunch box once in a while and biscuits instead of fruit like all the other kids.
We only ate (organic local) meat maybe once or twice a week and my mother and father cooked everything from scratch – I have yet to taste a Findus crispy pancake and oven chips were reserved for those nights when mum and dad had friends over and we got a “treat.”
As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.
So having the “natural immunity sterilised out of us” just doesn’t cut it for me. How could I, with my idyllic childhood and my amazing health food, get so freaking ill all the time?
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I had shingles last Dec, the doctor told me that I can get it again. It is very painful! I had it on my face and scalp and received the antiviral medication within the recommended time frame. I still have a couple tender places on my scalp.
It can also be dangerous on your face. Blindness can occur if it gets in your eyes.
I don’t think my immune system is waning not if my allergies are any indication.
NOOOO. Good Lord you are soooo ignorant.
The polio virus exists in third world nations precisely because they do NOT vaccinate. The musses have declared it unislamic to be vaccinated. And guess what??? Polio has reared its ugly head again.
Please please please. Read about the spread of polio in recent years. It is not coming from OPV (though there are some cases). polio is transmitted by coughs and sneezes and dirty hands and lack of sanitary conditions. The recent outbreaks have largely been in islamic countries where vaccination is considered a kill worthy sin.
Do not fall into the trap of the anti-vaccers who put everyone at risk
I grew up in Baltimore and am very familiar with Johns Hopkins, both the hospital and the university, know a lot of people including some doctors and professors and quite a few people who went there, but you and I both know that just because someone is affiliated with such a prestigious institution doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t quacks or nut jobs. Johns Hopkins is an excellent hospital but they employ many thousands and as far as the university, yes in the hard sciences they are among the best of the best but otherwise it is a cesspool of liberalism and PC. And just because someone has been published in a peer reviewed journal, that doesn’t mean their findings stood up to peer review. You seem to equate being “published” with being “proven”.
I would be interested to know who this “non vaxing” MD is; the one who has a “ream” of peer reviewed publications as I’d like to read what he has actually published. Surely if you stand by what he says, you have no problem letting us know who he is.
In fact, if you bother to read the minutes of the meeting where it was officially recommended you will find not ONE mention of any infant or childhood complications or mortality from chickenpox in the reasoning behind its recommendation. In fact, you will find that the reason it was even put on the schedule had to do with the fact that kids with chickenpox caused mom/dad to be home from work too long. And after Clinton signed the family leave act it became necessary to prevent as much sick leave for the PARENTS as possible. The kids were secondary.
That is complete BS. If you have the actual minutes of this “meeting” please share them with us. And you are wrong if you are suggesting that chickenpox cannot cause serious complications or even death.
http://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html
http://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/surveillance.html
I would also add that there is a very real economic impact of when workers stay home sick with illnesses like the flu or have to stay home with their sick children. My niece has four girls; a 7 year old and 6 year old triplets and since they started school, they’ve had many colds with fevers, stomach bugs, strep throats, ear infections, etc. illnesses that meant that they had to stay home from school and that someone had to stay home with them. In my niece’s case, she is a stay at home mom and her husband has a good paying job but if she had to work, she would have missed a lot of time from work, even more so if her kids came down with vaccine preventable diseases like measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. And yes there was an outbreak of both measles and chicken pox at their school and because they were vaccinated, they didn’t get sick and missed no school.
And FWIW my work place offers free yearly flu vaccine clinics. While it is not mandatory, most of us do get our free flu shot and of those of us who got the vaccine, none of us got the flu or had any missed work time as a result. The small cost my company paid to provide us with the flu shots has more than paid for itself with not having lost productivity. I haven’t had the flu since I started getting the annual flu shot. The last time I did, before getting the shot, I missed over a week of work because I was just that sick and I had to use my PTO time to cover my lost time, not to mention had to work a lot more hours after I came back to catch up with my work load and as a result, had to cancel my vacation plans for later that year.
Funny how we didn’t need a shingles vaccine when kids actually got the chickenpox. Having chickenpox and ALSO having the chickenpox vaccine bot set you up for potential shingles in later life. I’m sure you’re aware that the varicella vaccine is a live virus vaccine.
No, people who have been properly vaccinated for chickenpox rarely get shingles and if they do, it is not at nearly the same rate as people who had full blown chickenpox and in fact it is very rare for someone who was vaccinated for chickenpox and never caught a full blown case of it to develop shingles later in life. It is the people who actually had chickenpox who are at much greater risk of getting shingles and of infecting people with chickenpox when they have an active case of shingles. You might want to read up on what a “live” or attenuated vaccine actually is and how and why it works.
Both the varicella vaccine and the shingles vaccine are also cultured in dead babies. I’m sure you’re aware of that as well. I’m not so big on injecting remnants of dead baby. And no, they don’t get rid of the fetal DNA. In fact the amount of fetal DNA contained in both those vaccines is allowed be kept a ‘trade secret’. Which means it’s not zero.
I understand the moral dilemma involved in the production of vaccines using fetal cell lines but you need to understand that saying they are cultured in “dead babies” is a more than bit of exaggeration.
Varicella (chickenpox), rubella, hepatitis A, shingles and one preparation of rabies vaccine are all made in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. These cells were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.
And you might also want to read this:
Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissue
Even the Catholic Church says that while parents should always seek vaccinations not grown in either of these TWO fetal cell lines, where no alternative is currently available; there is more of a moral obligation to protect your children, pregnant women and vulnerable persons from very preventable diseases. You shouldn’t be against vaccinations that have save many lives since they were introduced, but you should be for pressuring pharmaceutical companies to find alternative ways of growing these vaccines.
No, I am not ignorant. When you start calling names, it’s because you have lost the argument.
Do your own research and find out that the people who have come down with polio have been around adults and children who received the polio vaccination.
Thank you for your post.
You are ignorant.....”lacking knowledge or awareness in general”
That is hardly ‘calling names”. I specified what things you are unaware of. I have done my own research and it does not rely on the heavily anti-vaccs sites. You did not address even one of the reasons why the rest of the world is having a huge number of polio cases....Site your source for the statement “that the people who have come down with polio have been around adults and children who received the polio vaccination.”. Since in the US OPV is no longer used your argument is diminished .
“When parents refuse to have their children vaccinated, not only do they endanger their child, but also all the children who were vaccinated but did not respond to the vaccine.”
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I didn’t endanger the other children by my choice. Their parents could have elected to vaccinate them. If their immunizations failed, they should have tried to vaccinate them again.
Like I have said, my children were the exposed ones. Their immune systems were healthy and not weakened at an early age by multiple vaccinations.
Many people are walking around believing they have lifetime immunity to these diseases because they have been vaccinated. And they don’t, as proven by the recent outbreaks in colleges among the vaccinated. Meanwhile, the viruses continue to mutate into new and deadlier forms.
I believe a strong immune system is better than a weakened one. It’s only one factor that influences health.
The strong survive, the weak don’t. Sadly, it’s natures way of thinning the herd.
Some people don’t respond to a particular vaccine no matter how many times they have been vaccinated.
And...Yes, booster vaccinations are needed depending on the disease.
Was working night shift in a Naval Hospital ER a couple of years ago and had a mom bring her kid in worried he might have Pertussis. I said “ well that’s very unlikely, he is vaccinated right”. Dead silence. Then “ I don’t believe in vaccines”. At which point I said, “ so let me get this straight, you don’t vaccinate your child, and now at 3 am you are suddenly worried he has a completely preventable disease?” mom came back with “ I’m not going to discuss this now”. Checked the kid over, seemed fine, but unfortunately this small hospital did not have the ability to do any diagnostic testing, no PCR, no specialized culture media. Told her take her kid into town in the morning to the larger local local hospital for further testing.
Several sources have already been posted. Your mind is made up and you’re so sure you’re right you don’t want a discussion.
I’m not the one being ignorant. ;)
I would ask: Have you, or someone you have known, ever been vaccinated for polio virus but contracted polio from it? Who is responsible if your child dies or is tragically handicapped for life because you chose to follow the “herd” and not question the risks?
I have experienced polio up close, studied the risks, made my choices, and have lived with them. I’m sorry you do not agree with me. But there are many others out there who do, and they have made the same choices.
So let us agree to disagree. Thanks for your input.
Typical anti-vaccer. You get called out on false statements and you run and hide.
The strong survive, the weak don’t. Sadly, it’s natures way of thinning the herd.
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Would you apply this same philosophy to antibiotics, cancer treatments, or surgery for an infected or ruptured appendix?
Here's one: The Idaho State Health Director angrily declared: “I hold the Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible” for a polio outbreak that killed several Idahoans and hospital-ized dozens more [26:140]. Even Salk himself was quoted as say-ing: “When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks [26:144;43].” But the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, and drug companies with large investments in the vaccine coerced the U.S. Public Health Service into falsely proclaiming the vaccine was safe and effective [26:142-5]. In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the “principal if not sole cause” of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 [44]. (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal ex-cretion of the virus continues [45].) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States [36]. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine [36].
The reference for 36 is Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology of poliomyletis in U.S. one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79.
http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf
So because she didn’t vaccinate she shouldn’t treat if it the disease occurs?
Good night and good bye.
“Would you apply this same philosophy to antibiotics, cancer treatments, or surgery for an infected or ruptured appendix?”
For the last time, Yes!!!!!!
When I was diagnosed with cancer of the bile ducts, I had to make choices that I didn’t like. Surgery or radiation. Survival rates if you do this or do that. Nobody likes being told the best they can hope for is maybe another year, 6 months or worse if it has spread to the pancreas or elsewhere. I had a short time and I had to make my choices quickly. I had second and third opinions from the best doctors and nobody gave me much hope that I could beat the odds.
I decided the best option for me was to have surgery and found one of the three best surgeons in Texas to perform a Whipple Procedure. To make a long story short, I barely survived the surgery and the recovery. As a result, I am now cancer free but diabetic the rest of my life. But that is a small price to pay for survival.
So to answer your question, I did apply the same philosophy of getting the facts, knowing the risks, and making my own decisions in my situation. Even when it seemed hopeless.
I speak from experience. Learn.
And for the very last time I’m not an anti-anything. But I’m not going to follow the “herd” based on hearsay and other controversial evidence. Some people believe anything they are told. Seek the truth and make your own decisions.
No because she didn’t vaccinate she exposed her child to an avoidable risk. One that I was unable to mitigate at 3 am when she suddenly got worried about that completely preventable problem she had exposed her child to.
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