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A libertarian utopia
Aeon Magazine ^ | 4-28-14 | Livia Gershon

Posted on 05/09/2014 6:19:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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To: greene66

Resognation and hopelessness are tools used against us.

The primary reason why I posted this article was to show that there are some people who are taking positive action to address the malaise that seems to surround us. I don’t consider myself a libertarian, but this is actually a pretty good idea: taking numbers of like minded people and putting them in one place with a view toward greatly influencing or even dominating the politics and culture. Not much different from the histories of some of our states.


61 posted on 05/09/2014 7:59:21 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“taking numbers of like minded people and putting them in one place with a view toward greatly influencing or even dominating the politics and culture”

Muslims are doing this.


62 posted on 05/09/2014 8:02:29 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Yardstick

I am not wrong about libertarianism, you are. Not all democrats are pro-abortion and not all libbers are pro-abortion, but the exceptions are both promoting a philosophy and politics that are about being pro-abortion.

Do FR libbers hide their agenda for the gay agenda and other liberal issues, like gays in the military, or in many cases abortion, as they work FR? Of course.

All we see here from libertarians are arguments about social issues, those endless argumentative threads involving libbers versus conservatives, aren’t about economics.


63 posted on 05/09/2014 8:03:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: KC_Lion

[ Wow, Grace.

Those are actually some really great ideas!

Thank You for the Ping. ]

If the libs win and chase us all underground then we can show them what a group of determined people can do, heck maybe after a while it would be more comfortable living underground that their “utopia” above ground.

“It was then worker 647-43-7629-001-234556 in the field who was equal amongst all others suddenly felt a deep rumbling beneath their sore feet. The rumbling felt like it was inching closer and closer towards where zhe and the rest of the workers were working to harvest the meager harvest of water starved arugula for their great leader. The rumbling was so loud and deep that the workers felt it in their chest while they were breathing, even their shift supervisor had a panicked look on hir face the same way their now erased history had the account of the frozen faces of the residents of Pompeii on Volcano day.

The rumbling stopped all of sudden if for a moment then began again, in the distance past the treeline next to their field dust started to rise in a column of air that expanded outward to reach the terrified workers who were now scrambling back to their work tram. Then as if materializing from the dust itself strange looking humans emerged that looked to be wearing a fabric forgotten to the fleeing workers. They spoke in a slow methodical manner in a voice louder than any known voice when they held what looked like large cylinders to their mouths. The announcement that came over the strange devices held in their hands was both statement and command: “Please clear the area! We are about to launch!”.

Several minutes later with the workers marshaled or scared away from the now large rectangular hole in the ground. Following a deathly silence punctuated by a load roaring sound a large round ended cylinder several hundred feet long and the width of several of the trams the workers had arrived in earlier to tend in their fields emerged from the bowels of the earth and disappeared into the sky on a thunderous cloud of smoke.

This was the day the people who had loved freedom for so long who were forced to live underground by those who did not were finally able to reach for the stars again unencumbered by the people who had wished to control them so very long ago. The ancestors of the workers in the fields may have been promised the open skies while their decedents toiled in the work that would set them free. Ironically it was the people who had been forced below so long ago who inherited the stars.”


64 posted on 05/09/2014 8:09:00 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: RKBA Democrat; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
65 posted on 05/09/2014 8:09:23 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ansel12

Is FR strictly for hard core conservatives only?


66 posted on 05/09/2014 8:09:42 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: ansel12

Which social issues? The only issue where I see conservatives and libertarians consistently going at in on FR is marijuana legalization. And on that issue you even had conservatives like William F. Buckley taking the libertarian position, so it’s not like it’s a total slum dunk one way or the other. But on issues like gay marriage or gays in the military I don’t ever recall seeing the libertarian taking the left’s side in anything close to significant number if at all. Can you link to one thread where FR was split over these issues?


67 posted on 05/09/2014 8:13:54 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ladysforest

Obviously not, I’m not even sure what a “hard core conservative” is, what is it?

JR does occasionally describe FR, and it comes off as conservative, ALL conservative, not libertarian, and that is why you will see most libertarians dancing all around as they argue against social conservatism and fight with the conservatives, while not clearly pointing out what they are arguing for.


68 posted on 05/09/2014 8:14:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: bamahead

Thanks, bamahead.

Re-ping for later...


69 posted on 05/09/2014 8:18:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ansel12

“JR does occasionally describe FR, and it comes off as conservative, ALL conservative, not libertarian”

Yup. In YOUR view is FR strictly hard core conservative?


70 posted on 05/09/2014 8:20:06 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Yardstick

LOL, yeah you are real credible, been here since 1999, never noticed those long argumentative threads caused by the libertarians, and now you want to switch to drugs.

You seriously missed all those threads on gays in the military, and gay marriage of the last couple of years, and those going back more than a decade?

The government out of marriage, the Rand Paul threads where he wants to drop social issues, you missed all those libertarian threads?

Do you recall ever having seen me on a thread discussing marriage, or gays in the military with libertarians?

When someone removes two legs of the conservative stool, or never had them in the first place, then they call themselves libertarian.


71 posted on 05/09/2014 8:21:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Ladysforest

You won’t tell me what that means?


72 posted on 05/09/2014 8:22:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

At first I thought I would respond to your numerous ( and deliberate) misrepresentations of libertarians, but then I thought better of it.

You have a history of being completely unhinged.


73 posted on 05/09/2014 8:23:09 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

LOL, jumping on a thread to make a personal attack is easier than making an actual post.


74 posted on 05/09/2014 8:28:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: wintertime

I think you are on to something there.


75 posted on 05/09/2014 8:30:08 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: greene66

I agree.

And I don’t like it one bit.

I happened to catch Mark Levin on Thursday this week, and the reality of the battle we face is daunting. Nothing that you or I or most Freepers are unaware of.

I like to break things down in a way that can be understood and in turn, dealt with.

Virtually every institution in our society is dominated by a “progressive” mindset. These “mindsets” are like a cancer. They feed and grow by the force of law and more importantly, peer pressure. Political correctness and relativism have replaced individual thought.

You and I could sit down with a die-hard liberal/democrat, and if they are honest and thoughtful, we could likely get them to accept virtually every “Conservative” position. It is human nature after all.

In private they agree, but they can’t seem to hold those values in public. They fall in line with their peers because they literally have absolutely no foundation/perspective for their beliefs.

It’s the extraordinary desire to remain in a safe place that drives their “Embrace of Uncertainty”.

I still trust the individual and hold out the hope that the “house of cards” will collapse under it’s own weight.

After all, at some point the Snake will realize it is eating its own tail.


76 posted on 05/09/2014 8:30:24 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: GraceG

Paradoxically, underground structures are safer in an earthquake than surface structures.

There are a few cases of miners coming to the surface after a major ‘quake and being amazed at the damage from a tremor they barely felt.

Better a Morlock than a worthless Eloi...


77 posted on 05/09/2014 8:31:47 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: ansel12

It isn’t a personal attack. Your own numerous posts speak for themselves.


78 posted on 05/09/2014 8:32:04 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: ansel12

Then post one of those other threads. Because, yeah, other than marijuana threads I don’t recall libertarians here advocating a liberal position on those social issues.

Government out of marriage is a small “l” libertarian position — really more like day dream — that isn’t held by liberals or the big “L” Libertarian party, so I’m not sure why you’re worried about it. It doesn’t fit your bogus theory that libertarians are agents of the left.

Gays in the military...show me one thread.


79 posted on 05/09/2014 8:34:02 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ansel12

Libertarian

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80 posted on 05/09/2014 8:35:28 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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