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Police Launch Probe into Church Sign that Suggested Non-Christians Will Burn in Hell [UK]
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 5/23/14 | Steph Cockroft

Posted on 05/24/2014 12:12:16 PM PDT by marshmallow

*Poster with burning flames put up at Attleborough Baptist Church, Norfolk
*The sign read: 'If you think there is no God you'd better be right!!'
*Robert Gladwin, 20, accused the sign of going against Christian traditions
*Pastor forced to remove sign after police investigated it as a 'hate incident'

A baptist church was at the centre of a police probe after a sign which suggested non-Christians would 'burn in hell' was investigated as a 'hate incident'.

The offending sign at Attleborough Baptist Church in Norfolk, pictured burning flames below words which read: 'If you think there is no God you better be right!!'

Now the church has been forced to remove the sign after a passer-by complained to police that it could 'not be further' from the Christian phrase, love thy neighbour.

Robert Gladwin, 20, said: 'It is my basic understanding that Christianity is inclusive and loving in nature.

'The message being displayed outside of the church could not be further from the often uttered phrase ‘love thy neighbour’.'

Mr Gladwin said he was 'astounded' when he spotted the poster by chance as he was walking home.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheism; attleborough; baptistchurch; hell; liberalagenda; norfolk; tyranny; uk

1 posted on 05/24/2014 12:12:16 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

PC police out in force. How is this offensive? It merely states something I’m sure atheists and Christians agree in. If atheists believe there is no God, they had better be right. I know of no atheist who would deny the grave consequences of them being wrong and Christians being correct.


2 posted on 05/24/2014 12:14:51 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

Trying to keep your neighbor out of hell is showing love.


3 posted on 05/24/2014 12:16:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marshmallow
Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

It's not love to let them die in sin. It IS love to warn them.

4 posted on 05/24/2014 12:18:04 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: marshmallow
A baptist church was at the centre of a police probe after a sign which suggested non-Christians would 'burn in hell' was investigated as a 'hate incident'.

Closer and closer that time comes. Soon enough, the Bible will be outlawed, churches shut down and Christians prosecuted.

5 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:01 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: marshmallow

In the UK the Bible is hate literature. The Koran, one of peace.


6 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: marshmallow
Robert Gladwin, 20, said: 'It is my basic understanding that Christianity is inclusive and loving in nature.

His basic understanding is wrong.

7 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: marshmallow
Robert Gladwin, 20, said: “It is my basic understanding that Christianity is inclusive and loving in nature. The message being displayed outside of the church could not be further from the often uttered phrase ‘love thy neighbor’.” …
Sounds like the young Mr. Gladwin has a very shallow and superficial notion of what love really is.

And as for “inclusive” (whatever that means), I see he has never heard of the preaching of the “narrow gate” in Matthew 7:13-14.
8 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: marshmallow

When asked for comment, Satan responded;
“Yes, I find the sign completely offensive and insensitive. I fully expect it to hurt business.”


9 posted on 05/24/2014 12:20:45 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: marshmallow

The message is not Biblically correct. Belief in God does not save one from Hell.

“You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!” (James 2:19)


10 posted on 05/24/2014 12:21:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
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To: DannyTN

People misunderstand the nature of God. Yes, He is love and sent His Son to die fore our sins, so that we don’t have to. He’s also a God of wrath and slow to anger. The idea that God is turning a blind eye to sin and anything goes is erroneous. Jesus taught more about hell than he did heaven. The ignorance of the Bible is truly astounding!


11 posted on 05/24/2014 12:22:19 PM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: marshmallow

Is this all the PoLeese have to do? I can see why they don’t have time to round up illegal aliens who are out there killing and robbing Americans.


12 posted on 05/24/2014 12:23:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SkyDancer

A Baba WaWa interview with a Muslim...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/stacy-l-harp/2005/12/21/barbara-walters-presses-christian-judgmental-not-islamic-terrorist

.................

W: Do only Muslims go to Heaven?

J: The fundamental thing is you must accept God. You have to believe that there is a creator. The Jews, the Christians, whoever believes in God and does good, will be saved.

W: Do Jews go to Heaven?

J: No.

W: Where do Jews go when they die?

J: They go to Hell, of course.

W: What is Hell like?

J: Hell is the hottest fire that is possible in the world. The heat of the fire in Hell is 70 times stronger than the strongest fire on the earth.

W: So everyone who goes to Hell gets burnt.

J: He gets burnt, of course. But if he gets burnt and that’s it, he would be relieved. But God revives him, and he doesn’t die. He’s burnt and God revives him again.

W: So only Muslims go to paradise. Everyone else in the world goes to Hell, yes? That’s a lot of people in Hell.

J: Yes, many people.

W: You are sitting opposite me. Would you like me to go to Hell? I am not a Muslim.

J: No, it’s not that I want it. It’s what God wants. You should follow Mohammed.

W: Or if I do not?

J: Then, of course, you’re going to Hell.


13 posted on 05/24/2014 12:25:20 PM PDT by digger48
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To: marshmallow

Let me tell you, that British PC crowd would poop all over themselves, if they saw some of the church signs I have seen. Especially in the the south.


14 posted on 05/24/2014 12:26:15 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: SkyDancer

Same in this country too.


15 posted on 05/24/2014 12:27:36 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: marshmallow

Dang. I thought this was Virginia. Guess it’s the UK. The PoLeese are the same all over these days, I guess.


16 posted on 05/24/2014 12:27:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: marshmallow

Mr. glad win has evil eyes

Undoubtedly headed to Hell

Maybe his mom was Rosemary


17 posted on 05/24/2014 12:28:40 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: marshmallow

They sure picked the right police people for the left’s agenda over there, didn’t they. No refusal to investigate such a matter? No police chiefs with integrity anymore?


18 posted on 05/24/2014 12:28:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: PAR35
Well, Christianity IS inclusive and loving in nature. The Bible says that God so loved the WORLD(inclusive) that He sent his Son to save us: and His son is rightly called the Savior of Mankind.

People are free to opt out of this by sin, which is choosing to be cut off from God. They've un-included themselves. Nevertheless, this exclusion from salvation is by their will, not God's.

Scripture also says --- well, tagline:

19 posted on 05/24/2014 12:28:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:4)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

These are unarmed bobbies...not American police.


20 posted on 05/24/2014 12:30:32 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: marshmallow

“It is my understanding that God is a God of love. Itching ears will do that to you.


21 posted on 05/24/2014 12:32:47 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: marshmallow

That’s a great sign.


22 posted on 05/24/2014 12:50:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: marshmallow

This is happening now in the states. We never expected our government to purposely conspire against our faith. It may take ten or more years before our side figures how to right the balance again. Most Christians in usa were not brought up having to defend every little thing we do or don’t do. For the time being, we are being out manuevered.


23 posted on 05/24/2014 12:51:33 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: marshmallow

I am happy Hindu’s do not believe theirs is the only way to God. Swami Vivekanand said at the religious conference in Chicago in 1940’s that all sincere prayers reach God just like rivers meet the oceans, no matter from where. He receive standing ovation from people of all religions.


24 posted on 05/24/2014 12:55:13 PM PDT by entropy12 (Harry Reid will not allow debate on any good bills passed by House. GOP needs 51 senators in 2014!)
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To: marshmallow

The UK has become soft as a bag of cotton balls.

An empire, like Rome, that ended with a sigh.


25 posted on 05/24/2014 12:56:16 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Olog-hai
Well, it's, as usual, more paradoxical than that. Jesus speaks of the "narrow way" and "few there are," but Scripture also says:

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
(Revelation 7:9-10)

The narrow way, and the countless multitudes.

This paradox is caught most succinctly, I think, in that gem of prayer taught by the Angel of Portugal tot he three little children at Fatima:

O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven ,especially those in most need of Thy Mercy."

To ge back to the topic at hand, I would say fear of hell is a very valuable thing for the already-devout--- it loomed big in the life of Franz Jaegerstatter, I remember--- but it has almost zero impact as an evangelization approach for unbelievers.

If you've heard of anyone, not already a believer, who was attracted to the Heart of Christ in this way, let me know.

AND... I also think it's foolishness that this became a police matter. It's not hate, it's not a crime; it's just a dubious entree to the Faith to light-minded secular Brits.

Save the hellfire sermons for the Bishops. Seriously, I mean it. They deserve it, and they might listen.

26 posted on 05/24/2014 1:03:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: marshmallow

Better that people should get that info now instead of too late to do anything about it.


27 posted on 05/24/2014 1:03:03 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: marshmallow

What next, govt minders in churches to make sure the pastor doesn’t mention sin or salvation? The UK is done.


28 posted on 05/24/2014 1:11:25 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s not paradoxical, given that the reference frames are before and after the Second Coming.


29 posted on 05/24/2014 1:23:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: marshmallow
He said: 'I was just astounded really. We live in the 21st century and they have put that message - that non-Christians will burn in hell - up to try and scare people into joining their mentality.'

Wait till he reads the Bible. For example:

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:7-8)

We learn from 1 John 5:2 that "overcomers" are those who believe in Jesus Christ. The lake of fire and an eternity of torment is the destiny for all who do not believe. He should be thankful that someone cares enough to endure ridicule and condemnation for speaking the truth.

30 posted on 05/24/2014 1:33:55 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: marshmallow

Growing up in the South I was “witnessed to” by Baptists, many of ‘em and of several varieties. Not one seemed other than genuinely concerned that I would “burn for Eternity” if I didn’t join their Church.

None were violent. All were exercising both their freedom of religion and their freedom of speech. I chose to exercise my freedom to listen and answer.

That worked.

My opinion is that if one is offended by religion, discuss that anxiety with your psychiatrist. Same for hoplophobes.

Works for me.


31 posted on 05/24/2014 1:34:17 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
but [fear of hell] has almost zero impact as an evangelization approach for unbelievers.

It sure did work in the old days.

And the Fatima visionaries were given a vision of hell, were they not? This was not meant so much to scare them, but to be disseminated to unbelievers or those on the fence with their faith.

I don't have time right now to look up which approved apparitions included the sidetrip to the basement.

32 posted on 05/24/2014 1:42:33 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: marshmallow

I believe that the pastor was within his calling. Preaching hellfire and brimstone was done by Jesus himself, according to the Scriptures.

‘I’m your neighbor. I do things you don’t like. I say things you don’t like. I believe things you don’t like. But, I’m goona be in your face because you tell me I’m going somewhere I don’t believe in.’

Real logical, ain’t it? Kinda un-American, ain’t it?

Wouldn’t it be more American, and more in line for what folks DIED FOR, for this idiot, to just smile, and keep going?

The Rabbi of Tarsus, today, would say, ‘Let’s grab a cup of joe, and sit down and see where we are at with this.’

Even the Greeks, would entertain ideas, ask questions, put them on the scales, and see how it balances, and why not, until they had a handle on it.


33 posted on 05/24/2014 1:49:31 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: marshmallow
This is utterly ridiculous! Freedom of speech is a fundamental tenet of Western Civilization. Such restrictions are a certain sign of decadence.

I don't agree with what the sign said, and I do not think it is true.

HOWEVER--the people of the church have EVERY RIGHT to say whatever they want--contemporary British law notwithstanding!

Note tagline!

34 posted on 05/24/2014 1:59:38 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


35 posted on 05/24/2014 2:07:49 PM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: marshmallow
FIRE THOSE POLICE !

Read Malachi 4 again, ... less you perish soon.
36 posted on 05/24/2014 2:11:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m not sure what you mean.


37 posted on 05/24/2014 2:57:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: marshmallow

Indict God as a co-conspirator?


38 posted on 05/24/2014 3:39:54 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: marshmallow

‘If you think there is no God you better PRAY TO GOD that you’re right!!’


39 posted on 05/24/2014 4:16:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: digger48

The fire is 70 times hotter than here on earth? How does he know that? As far as I’m concerned, burning for eternity in earth’s fire or in a fire that’s 70 times hotter makes no difference.


40 posted on 05/24/2014 4:19:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: marshmallow
Police Launch Probe into Church Sign that Suggested Non-Christians Will Burn in Hell [UK]

... but roll over and play dhimmi for the non-assimilating immigrants who actually behead on earth for their religion.

41 posted on 05/24/2014 5:12:37 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: marshmallow
...forced to remove the sign after a passer-by complained to police that it could 'not be further' from the Christian phrase, love thy neighbour.

And they let this complainer get by with using a basic Christian phrase? Has he never heard that it's a good thing to tell the uninformed not to touch a hot stove because it can burn them? I'll bet, that when he meets his Maker and finds that his name is not in the Book of Life, he will claim foul because "nobody warned him".

42 posted on 05/25/2014 3:44:49 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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