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VANITY: Are VA hospitals run by civilians?
self ^ | 5/25/14

Posted on 05/25/2014 6:51:02 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD

Having a convo with a friend, who says that I am wrong when I told her that VA hospitals are run by civilians. Am I wrong? A quick Google search would not answer my query.

Thanks!


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: va; vahospitals; vanity; veterans

1 posted on 05/25/2014 6:51:02 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: COBOL2Java; ConorMacNessa

Ping


2 posted on 05/25/2014 6:52:25 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yes, they are run by civilians employed by the Veterans Administration.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 6:52:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks very much!


4 posted on 05/25/2014 6:53:04 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Hey, Silvie, I swear I haven’t seen you around in ages! How’s things?


5 posted on 05/25/2014 6:53:21 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals - destroyers of both men and civilizations. The Fourth Turning Cometh.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yes, everything within the Department of Veterans Affairs is civilian. They are sometimes confused with the Army, Air Force sand Navy hospitals, which are mostly military.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 6:53:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks so much, 2DV — I will let her know!


7 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:07 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

The Director at my VA (Lebanon, PA) is a civilian and IMHO a career politician brown nose.


8 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:44 PM PDT by airborne (My heroes don't wear capes - My heroes wear dog tags!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It was changed to the US Dept. of Veterans Affairs, a cabinet-level agency, during the Reagan administration.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Viking2002

I’ve been around — I’m now stuck with being the temporary admin. for the Michael Savage Radio Show thread....

Best!


10 posted on 05/25/2014 6:55:29 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yes. VA hospitals are run by civil service employees of the Veterans Administration, not by military personnel, and not by employees of the Department of Defense. The DoD has its own medical facilities, which ... vary in their quality.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 6:56:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Civil Service.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 6:59:48 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“Civil” servants. Gov’t contract employees, I believe.
(I see you have the answers already0


13 posted on 05/25/2014 7:13:40 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

unionized civilians


14 posted on 05/25/2014 7:19:13 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

They advertise for medical professionals on tv. They push the benefits of being licensed to practice in all states when they work in VA facilities


15 posted on 05/25/2014 7:19:21 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: blueplum

Are they prone to be more incompetent because they’re unionized?

(Need comeback answers to confront my friend...)

Thanks!


16 posted on 05/25/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: dynachrome; All

Thanks to all for your answers!


17 posted on 05/25/2014 7:26:45 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Are they prone to be more incompetent because they’re unionized?

My wife, a dialysis RN, just got on with the VA in November. She was offered a union membership, but she declined. Thank goodness we live in a Right to Work state.

She sees not incompetance so much, but plenty of waste, and most of all, wasted time. No where close to the efficiency of a non-government outfit.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 7:40:11 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: Wingy

M.D.’s start out as GS-9’s, no? That’s low compared to what an M.D. in the private sector can make.

My sense is that VA attracts lower-skill M.D.’s because of the low pay.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 7:47:19 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

http://mycareeratva.va.gov/about/Pages/FAQ.aspx


20 posted on 05/25/2014 7:48:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Around 80% of all VA hospital workers are Union workers. The Unions are one of the main barriers against fixing the problem.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 7:49:15 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

I deliver to a VA hospital and have never seen a military uniform there.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 8:06:58 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

The VA is staffed and run by people who are hired with the proper licenses (e.g. MDs and RMs and administrators) . One does not have to be a veteran...and that is a good thing. The folks in DC set stupid regulations and the punish when ‘goals’ aren’t met. No ‘civilian’ hospital would be run like the VA


23 posted on 05/25/2014 8:09:48 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Would you say that the Democrats are really running the VA?


24 posted on 05/25/2014 8:20:24 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Nifster

You don’t have to be a veteran, but it is getting very difficult to get hired on now without being a veteran.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 8:32:27 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

I go to my VA for treatment 1-2 times per month and if you want to see socialized medicine just go there and sit and listen. I think they are down to only one primary doctor because it seems like everyone complaining is for the same reason. Their meds ran out and it takes weeks to get them refilled. I have the same problem myself and it is a pain to get them refilled because the doctor has to put them in but getting to the doctor is tough.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 8:35:26 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules

It is the pharmacists of the VA who have the meds tied up due to the fed regulations. I told a nurse I wanted to talk to the pharmacist consultant. She said it was there for the docs not the vets. I have built four clinics. I have had to spend budget $ for the politicians and VA groundbreaking song and dance show. All the VA big wigs have undercover cops that travel with them. Out of all of them the Bonham Tx hospital was the best to me.37 years dealing with the VA. Houston ( DeBakey) went to shit when they brought all the Katrina (New Orleans) employees to work there.. Shamers to the max!


27 posted on 05/25/2014 9:18:51 PM PDT by Bibman (Tea Party since 1976. Throw ALL the bums out!)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Yes. Civilian VA Employees, contractors and volunteers.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 9:21:56 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Some personnel are allowed to use work hours as ‘union hours’ and then charge for overtime for work hours. This is money that could have gone to patient care:

“VA “employees not performing government work could compromise the well-being of our nation’s veterans,” the senators write.

The senators are questioning a federal practice dubbed “official time,” whereby taxpayers foot the bill for salaries and benefits for federal workers who perform union duties instead of the “jobs they were initially hired to do,” the senators note.

The VA is now paying for an overtime “surge” to cut its huge claims backlog, while VA workers do union work, the senators note, tax dollars that could instead be spent on vets.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/06/06/188-va-workers-do-union-work-full-time-senators-say/

also, there’s the nursing problem, as in a problem of nurses having necessary rudimentary skills:

http://www.businessinsider.com/too-many-nurses-at-the-va-dont-know-what-the-hell-theyre-doing-2012-5


29 posted on 05/25/2014 9:23:00 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

forgot to add, and then there are those workers, who can’t be bothered to sterilize equipment, resulting in spread of HIV and hepatitis:

Substandard Hygiene Practices At Some VA Hospitals

“At the St. Louis VA medical center, the cleaning of reusable dental equipment was unsatisfactory between February 2009 and March 2010...The Committee said that even after actions by a dentist employed by VA from 1982-2010 came to the public’s attention, the VA has shown an apparent lack of leadership and has not fully acted in response.”

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/226889.php

Of course, there are some great people working for the VA and I am thankful for them. I’m highlighting some of the worst stories to help with your ‘argument’.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 9:44:07 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Is this woman blaming the VA crap on the military?


31 posted on 05/25/2014 11:07:14 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Bibman
It is the pharmacists of the VA who have the meds tied up due to the fed regulations. I told a nurse I wanted to talk to the pharmacist consultant. She said it was there for the docs not the vets

I do not understand why you say this. I have worked for the VA for 25 years as a pharmacist. If a patient wants to talk to a pharmacist he will talk to a pharmacist. The same can be said for the Doctors and Nurses.

The majority of the care givers do a great job under most difficult circumstances. I would also estimate that about 20% should be fired tomorrow morning.

The VA brings out the best in most care givers. It also brings out the worst in a few. I presonally know many nurses and doctors and pharmacists that have given many hours of work without any compenstion for their off the clock hours. I know one doctor that will actually make house calls for the Vets. They as I do it for the Vets.

Those Vets are the ones that picked up MI Garands, M16s, climbed into tanks, hit beaches, fought in rice paddies, deserts, and jungles, flew B17s, B24s, B29s, Sabers, F4s, F100s, F104 etc. Many of those died in the deserts, paddies, jungles and many of those planes and men did not return to home base or return at all. Even more returned with terrible physical injuries and mental trauma. I serve and love those vets.

The problem with the VA is a vast overbearing inefficent beuracracy that makes it very difficult for us to provide quality care for our warriors.

The problem is not one of money if the budget were spent wisely. The problem is government bureoracy that can not be solved by government.

However the solution is not difficult but politically very difficult.

The VA has great facilities and "mostly" great personel working there. We should turn the VA over to private interprise to run the facilities on a for profit basis. The governments only role should be to make sure these funds are spent properly and most importantly give the vet access to quality care. If a facility is substandard it should be closed and the vets divertered to private facilities. If a private enterprise has true and free authority to fire the few bad employees we would not need to close any VA as it would quickly come up to a high standard.

32 posted on 05/25/2014 11:20:20 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

She kinda was. (Liberal mentality of sorts).
I put her in her place last night, though, with my FR ammo... you’d be proud of me!


33 posted on 05/26/2014 2:47:25 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Are government employees civilians? TSA? BLM? IRS?


34 posted on 05/26/2014 4:54:14 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: conservative cat

That’s not true. Being a vet gives you extra ‘points’ on the scoring but it is not the main thing. There are not enough nurses and filling the postings is tough because the government process takes so very kong(as much as 6 months before the background checks even begin) that candidates take jobs with real companies rather than wait around for decisions. The same is true for docs.

Ancillary personal it may be true but the licensed personal not


35 posted on 05/26/2014 5:28:09 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: cradle of freedom

No I would say rather that the VA is like ALL large bureaucracies....it is slow to respond, tends to build layers of faux administrators, wants to dictate from the top down, has no clue as to what effect ‘orders from above’ have on the workers, and in general is a vast slow drying cement pit


36 posted on 05/26/2014 5:30:39 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Yes, that is the official policy.


37 posted on 05/26/2014 3:27:32 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: conservative cat

IF you have two people with the same credentials ( and that almost NEVER happens) then the vet gets preference. Just because you are a vet does not make up for lack of credentialing and experience.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by Nifster
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