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To: PieterCasparzen

If you imagine Christians live under the Law you have huge, big, massive problems. From Galatians 5:

5 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.


52 posted on 06/07/2014 3:09:23 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
Bestiality, moral law, not abrogated.

Circumcision, ceremonial law, abrogated.

The Law consists of both ceremonial (specific to ancient Israel) and moral law (this is in regard to sin).

Continuing farther in Galatians 5:

"18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Galatians 5:21 "...they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Thus, God's Law, the Old Testament moral law, is eternal. God's rules have not changed. Sin is not now acceptable to God.

Which agrees with Jesus saying:

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
55 posted on 06/07/2014 4:46:18 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Fantasywriter
If you imagine Christians live under the Law you have huge, big, massive problems.

No, believing Christians who are not deceived are fully aware of God's Law. They know the Bible tells them they should be joyfully obedient, they should delight in God's Law. Not the animal sacrifices, the moral laws.

This is explained in the New Testament very specifically.

False Christian pastors and scholars who are deceivers promote the idea that Christians can break Old Testament moral laws habitually and still find salvation in Christ, which, of course, is a lie.

Then, when the pastor is caught committing adultery, his whole flock is much more likely to stay with him ANYWAY. Because he's planted the seeds of thought in their mind all along that The Ten Commandments do not apply to Christians.

Ephesians 5

"2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them."

This is serious - Paul said wrath of God. Such a term is dead serious, not an allegory, it can't be explained away.

It was only when I realized just how FAR I fell short of God's glory that I became convicted of my own sin, that I knew just HOW MUCH I NEEDED Christ's atoning sacrifice.

Prior to that, I really didn't get it. I actually had forgotten things that I had done that were sinful, but I had always viewed as simply normal modern life. The more I remembered, the worse it got ! And if given the opportunity again, I knew how I would be prone to do the same things all over again. When I started adding it all up, THEN I really understood that I was in a mess concerning "did I merit salvation on my own". Only when you become convicted of your own sin do you really come to Christ in a humbled state, where you can begin to understand that you are "bought with a price".
57 posted on 06/07/2014 5:17:53 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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