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To: Fantasywriter
If you imagine Christians live under the Law you have huge, big, massive problems.

No, believing Christians who are not deceived are fully aware of God's Law. They know the Bible tells them they should be joyfully obedient, they should delight in God's Law. Not the animal sacrifices, the moral laws.

This is explained in the New Testament very specifically.

False Christian pastors and scholars who are deceivers promote the idea that Christians can break Old Testament moral laws habitually and still find salvation in Christ, which, of course, is a lie.

Then, when the pastor is caught committing adultery, his whole flock is much more likely to stay with him ANYWAY. Because he's planted the seeds of thought in their mind all along that The Ten Commandments do not apply to Christians.

Ephesians 5

"2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them."

This is serious - Paul said wrath of God. Such a term is dead serious, not an allegory, it can't be explained away.

It was only when I realized just how FAR I fell short of God's glory that I became convicted of my own sin, that I knew just HOW MUCH I NEEDED Christ's atoning sacrifice.

Prior to that, I really didn't get it. I actually had forgotten things that I had done that were sinful, but I had always viewed as simply normal modern life. The more I remembered, the worse it got ! And if given the opportunity again, I knew how I would be prone to do the same things all over again. When I started adding it all up, THEN I really understood that I was in a mess concerning "did I merit salvation on my own". Only when you become convicted of your own sin do you really come to Christ in a humbled state, where you can begin to understand that you are "bought with a price".
57 posted on 06/07/2014 5:17:53 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

The Old Testament is the book of faith & practice for Jews. It prepared the way for the Christ. The New Testament is the manual of faith & practice for Christians. No one is arguing that Christians are to be immoral. Just the opposite. The moral demands on Christians far outweigh those on Jews, as Jesus made clear in the Sermon on the Mount.

The issue is whether Christians are free to pray for our enemies’ destruction. We are not. The old moral code that allowed for such hatred has been superseded. We now pray blessings on our enemies. This is a New Covenant command, no wiggle room. As I said originally, we are encouraged to pray for deliverance from evil. We are not at liberty to pray for other people’s destruction. That era ended with the New Commandment. We now must love as Jesus loved—and He NEVER prayed for the destruction of his enemies. Even on the cross He prayed for their forgiveness, and He is our role model.

1 John 4:8

The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.


60 posted on 06/07/2014 6:23:22 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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