Skip to comments.Congressional Committee Just Voted to Kill the A-10—And Endanger Troops’ Lives
Posted on 06/13/2014 11:08:18 AM PDT by C19fan
On June 10, the House Appropriations Committee made clear the way many on Capitol Hill view national defense. By a raised-hands vote of 13 to 23, the Committee rejected an amendment from Congressman Jack Kingstona Georgia Republicanto redirect $339 million from operation and maintenance funds, deemed excess, to retain 234 A-10 close air support aircraft in the U.S. Air Force inventory.
Even though the committee found $1.6 billion to increase the Obama Administrations budget to buy hardware, it could not find a penny to retain one of the most extraordinarily effective weapons in the U.S. arsenaland one of the cheapest to operate.
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February 25 · Edited TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced today that he is recommending the elimination of the A-10, the mainstay aircraft at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, as part of a proposed military budget. The Air Force has said it would save $3.5 billion over five years by cutting the entire fleet of 343 A-10s.
Too bad the grunts don’t get a say in the matter.
Don’t worry. Those funds are needed to bus in diseased, third world parasites and charge their welfare/benefits cards, phones, and vehicles. /sarc
Disgraceful - but predictable.
How ironic that in Iraq they could be a game changer right now.
they’d be sitting ducks for a jihadi IR missile.
It’s the tanker and grunt’s best friend. The Air Force has always hated it.
I am not particularly knowledgeable on these things but I think they might actually be vulnerable. I am sure they have some defenses and I know they are built to absorb some damage.
Same thing with the Spectre Gun Ships. They deliver a knockout punch but probably have a glass jaw.
Hopefully saner heads will prevail and funding will be restored in the final budget. But if they really want to piss the AF off, transfer all of the A-10s to the Army.
Can’t wait to see the over priced, fragile, untested, super fighter that will replace it. Drones perhaps?
There is nothing out there to replace this aircraft.... Period. Nothing. This plane was designed from the ground up for this role. Apaches are too fragile, bombers are overkill, and fancy new Gen fighters are untested. There is no aircraft that can handle the abuse and punishment. Maybe we will replace them with airtractors new plane.
The A10 will be back. This isn’t the first time it was killed only to be brought back again because the military brass are idiots. You simply have to look at the ash heap of failed programs, like the B1, as an example.
I’m amazed they got the B1 working. It was considered one of the biggest flubs in American military history.
Active Duty A-10 ping.
The A-10 is built to take heavy damage.
There’s a ghastly poetry in how as they killed the plane that is extremely useful in deckmating open columns, halfway around the world a convoy of armed militants drove in a column toward conquest.
That was my first thought also. I read that thread before noticing this one.
Wow, save a whole $3.5 billion over 5 years. BFD
In terms of effective pinpoint delivery of firepower and support of troops on the ground, the A 10 will never have an equal.
I will never understand why the Air Force has hated it so.
Not hardly pilgrim.
Since its inception in the early 1970s the A-10 was designed to live, fight, and survive at low level in the MADPAD threats. Of the three, survive, IMHO, is the most important. Photos from DESERT STORM prove this.
But, it was never a “F” platform. Therefore like other “A” platforms it was the poor, red-headed, bas*ard child from the wrong side of the railroad tracks. The only surprising thing is it took the AF 25 years, and multiple attempts (thank you US Army) to kill it.
Obumblingidiot will waste no time sending these vital aircraft to the grinder. In a year, there won’t even be one in a museum.
“theyd be sitting ducks for a jihadi IR missile.”
The A-10 can take massive damage. I wouldn’t want to tick one off.
I’ve never met a non-beancounter who hated it.
I imagine the only ones who hate it are the territorial “just a job” jerks.
Have you ever seen one at an airshow?
The real secret to the A-10 is its engine. If a friendly country could get high quality engines, it could produce a whole bunch of A-10s for profitable sale, based on its reputation.
While they always tout its advanced electronics, the truth of the matter is that it is designed for a slug-fest, where high tech is sort of incidental. Most systems in the aircraft are redundant, which explains how they could have damage like none other and still return home. Even their pilots are sitting in a “titanium bathtub”, to protect them.
The reason for this is because much of the design inspiration came via the astounding Nazi pilot Hans-Ulrich Rudel, who wrote a book called Stuka Pilot.
Rudel flew 3,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, 70 landing craft, nine aircraft, four armored trains, several bridges, a destroyer, two cruisers, and the Soviet battleship Marat.
He knew what he was doing. His wish list was incorporated into the A-10, and then some. And then the aircraft was built around the 30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling-type cannon, a very formidable weapon.
Yet, all told, if they could just get good engines, many countries could produce the A-10, and they could make a ton of money exporting them for sale.
The high bypass turbofans have a low heat signature. The plane is armored like a tank. It is the most survivable ground attack plane we have.
Replacements for the A-10 are smaller and more efficient smart weapons across all platforms and the F-35, neither of which are in the inventory yet and show no signs of getting there in the known future.
Well, can’t blame Obama...
P-47, then A1-E, then A-10. There’s always been a need for a dedicated CAS/Ground Attack platform since the advent of airpower. Big mistake to take the A-10 out of the inventory, unless you are a defense contractor with a similar platform ready to be pitched to take its place- then, it’s a financial boom.
If it leaves service now, it won’t be back.
The Air Force (SR-71) and Navy (F-14) learned a long time ago how to keep a retired but popular/effective aircraft from ever coming back: destroy the tooling, cut the wing spars (SRs) and grind them up into bits (Tomcats).
I know that legend has it that the USAF never liked the A-10 and that fighter pilots hate it.
In my nearly 30 years of service, I never found that to be the case...at least from O-5 and below.
At UPT, half the class starts out wanting to fly A-10s.
Well, we do have the B-1 fleet for the CAS mission. What’s a little collateral damage amongst friends? /MournfulSarc
You can say that again!
However, The USAF has really despised this low, slow workhorse from its first days as not fitting in with the Mach 2.5 air superiority fighter Top Gun image. They couldn't wait to transfer it to Guard units!
It is incredibly good at what it does. It is primarily a daylight operator, though, and it is 40 years old with no assembly line, so maintenance becomes increasingly crucial. What it needs is a replacement that specializes in the same job of anti-armor and close support of ground forces. Perhaps just a re-design. This is one fabulous airplane
The idea of using the B1-B ... which is also an ancient design ... for close support is simply ludicrous. Think WWII. The Tank Busters were the Bristol Beaufort and the Typhoon, not the B-17 or B-24!
I hate to see these aircraft go to the boneyard. They are simply one of the very best aircraft ever flown.
They should convert the thing to remote control. I get that the ship is a great CAS platform, but its still vulnerable to missiles. The days of flying low and slow with a manned platform over defended ground are over. The RUS have or will have something that will take these out and they aren’t shy about sharing with their friends as we have seen.
OK, I will say it again. I am not particularly knowledgeable about these things but I probably know more than you.
Lots of B-17s and P-47s suffered worse damage than that and made it home..
An Israeli F-15 lost a wing due to an air to air crash and made it home.
I have watched them fly many times tho it was quite a few years ago. It would always be two at a time. They were based at Eglin or Hurlburt. I know neither of those bases are home to A-10 squadrons.
They remind me a lot of crop dusters. They turn just like them.
I know they have a titanium shell encasing the engines and the pilot. I also know they have a lot of redundancy and were designed to absorb a lot of damage.
Despite that, a lot of them have been shot down. I recall watching them twist and turn, maneuver etc. but watching them it also struck me they would be pretty easy to have a missile lock on them.
That was already considered back around 1989. The Army has weight restrictions (regulations) on it's aircraft and the GAU-8 Avenger rotary cannon the aircraft is built around makes the aircraft too heavy. If the Army got it's restrictions modified for it, it could absorb part of the AF besides the A-10.
Those weight restrictions are artificial and were put into place to keep the Army from having its own air force.
Before Obama’s Third Term is over, the only plane the USAF will have is AF1.
Well it is the only one HE needs so it’s the only one worth having.
You have no idea what kind of language I’m using at this point.
I’ll take a guess that it is unprintable.
Right with you on this.
Actually I did back in the mid 80s. Took my son to see planes at NAS Moffet and see Blue Angels. His favorite was the EC-135 because it had the most comfortable seats and the coolest displays.
Hello?!? You don't kill something like that. You make it better!
You take all that you've learned since first putting it to work into the next generation, new and improved and even more badass A-10!
And, if the A-10 is too much of a burden for the AF bean counters to live with, then give it to the Army and Marines. Feel the love.
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