KMFDF... no pity for the LAZY!!!
Posted on 06/29/2014 9:07:05 PM PDT by Decombobulator
MONTREAL -- A group of academics and activists is trying to drum up interest in an ambitious plan to provide every Canadian with a guaranteed minimum level of income -- whether or not they have a job.
Rob Rainer, a campaign director for the Basic Income Canada Network, envisions a country where everyone is assured a minimum of $20,000 annually to make ends meet.
"For many of us, we think the goal is no one should be living in poverty," Rainer said at a conference on the issue over the weekend at McGill University.
"That's essentially what we're striving to achieve."
More than 100 speakers and participants were on hand for the conference, which focused on the merits of a guaranteed minimum income that would either replace or exist alongside existing social programs.
The idea is hardly new -- the Canadian and Manitoba government conducted an experiment with the issue in the 1970s -- but it has enjoyed a resurgence lately.
Switzerland is expected to hold a non-binding referendum this fall on whether to guarantee every citizen an annual income of Cdn $35,900.
And in the United Sates, the idea has supporters on both sides of the political spectrum.
Proponents on the left argue it represents an opportunity for greater redistribution of wealth, while those on the right see it as a chance to cut back on bureaucracy and return control to people's lives.
The two sides disagree, however, on whether there would be accompanying tax hikes and whether other social programs would remain place.
Almaz Zelleke, a professor at New York University, said guaranteed income has rarely had this much attention in the United States since President Richard Nixon tried to introduce such a program for families in the 1960s. That effort was ultimately thwarted by Congress.
At the conference, Zelleke gave a presentation laying out how a guaranteed income could be offset by taxes and work from a practical, fiscal standpoint. But even she admitted it would be a challenge to get such a plan on the agenda in Washington, D.C.
"To be very honest, it's not on the agenda of any mainstream political party in the United States," she said in an interview, but added a recent surge in media attention has, helpfully, "generated discussion among people who understand that there are problems with the welfare state."
In Canada, the town of Dauphin, Man., was famously the subject of a government pilot project where residents were provided with a guaranteed minimum income from 1974-1978.
The goal of the program, which cost $17 million, was to find out whether providing extra money directly to residents below a certain household income level would make for effective social policy.
The community's overall health improved and hospital rates declined during the period, according to a 2010 study by Evelyn Forget, a professor at the University of Manitoba.
Former Conservative senator Hugh Segal, who officially resigned from his post this month, argued for years in favour of the idea, saying it would provide more effective services at a reduced cost.
Quebec's new minister of employment and social solidarity was also once a prominent advocate.
Francois Blais, a former political science professor, published a book in 2002 called "Ending Poverty: A Basic Income for All Canadians," though Philippe Couillard's Liberal government has made no commitments on the issue.
At the federal level, Rainer conceded it's far from the agenda of the current Conservative government, but said there's a "little bit of traction" among opposition parties.
Liberal Party delegates passed two resolutions related to guaranteed minimum income at a meeting in Montreal this year -- a move Rainer called "pretty significant."
The Green Party also endorses the notion in its party platform.
"The idea is not new, it's not really radical," Rainer said, pointing out that seniors and families with children receive a form of guaranteed income from the government.
"Where it does become more radical is when you get into the area of the working age population, and the idea that people should receive some income whether they are in the labour market or not. That's a fairly radical idea in our culture, because most of us were brought up to believe that in order to survive you have to work."
and how does this plan work if 80% of the country decides not to work?
Is this a living wage?
The first thing that happens is half the country - none of them working- protest to raise the guaranteed minimum income because it is not a living wage.
Yes, but it that what they're striving for?
I mean: If that were their goal, too, then there would be no need to re-attach the umbilical cord, would there?
Regards,
The other 20% would have their pick of the best jobs.
People who do not work for their keep tend to not care about much in general, except keeping the money rolling in. I can also see the issue of those making just under that or just over that deciding it would make sense for them not to work. I am not an economist, but common sense tells me this is a terrible idea.
Can you imagine how much desperate employers would be willing to pay? Heck how many Americans would go north to sponge up some of that monopoly money?
Sure, the pyramid scheme would probably not last a generation.
I want a pony.
“..President Richard Nixon tried to introduce such a program for families in the 1960s. That effort was ultimately thwarted by Congress.”
Richard Nixon, communist? Who knew?
Sign me up...send me my $20k to Southern Baja, please.
BICN?
Add an H and they might have something...
But you get the $20,000 regardless of your income. So somebody making $20,000/yr now wouldn’t still have $20,000/yr after this is implemented, he’d get $40,000/yr.
I guess I’d pay that much for a Canuck. A new Buick’s about twice that.
I would say go for it but only for those who can prove that they put out 40 hours per week. At the end of every year congress can argue over what the minimum should be. Savings from eliminating gov’t departments could be split up among the masses.
That's true! Of course, 20% is also about how much of their paycheck they'd get to keep after taxes.
Time to drop flyers all over Mexico announcing this initiative.
KMFDF... no pity for the LAZY!!!
” ..... how does this plan work if 80% of the country decides not to work?”
I don’t know but in say we tell all those illegals crossing our southern border about it.
I think the Canucks would be happy with just a six pack of beer and a hockey stick.
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