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REM's Michael Stipe delayed HIV test to stay out of the, um, Reagan-Bush internment camps
Cain TV ^ | Monday June 30th, 2014 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 07/05/2014 10:42:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

You remember those, right?

If you ever wonder where delusional left-wingers get their ideas that what is happening in the world, it's useful to know your history. They didn't just start believing crazy things when George W. Bush won the Florida recount, or when dastardly Republicans started criticizing Barack Obama. They've been this way for a long time.

And as is so often the case, the insanity is influenced and often led by figures in pop culture. REM front man Michael Stipe provided a perfect example in a recent statement about why, back in the 1980s, he decided not to get tested for HIV:

"In the early Eighties, as a 22-year-old queer man living during the Reagan-Bush administration, I was afraid to get tested for HIV for fear of quarantine, the threat of internment camps and having my basic civil rights stripped away," he said. "I waited five years to get my first anonymous test. I am happy that attitudes have matured and changed, and I feel lucky that I live in a country where acceptance, tolerance and policy toward HIV-AIDS and LGBTQ issues have advanced as far as they have."

You all remember the Reagan-Bush internment camps, right? Gay people with AIDS would be herded up by government agents in hazmat suits, put in the back of black vans and driven to camps with names like Stalag REM. There, they would be held by armed guards and fed porridge and drop biscuits three times a day until they simply wasted away, at which point their bones would be ground up and used to make more porridge for those who were still holding out against the inevitable.

And where were these internment camps? Everywhere. There was one in Reagan's birthplace of Tampico, Illinois. There was one at the Bush compound in Kennebunkport, Maine (where I hear a young George W. used to sit with Jeb up on a hill and watch the internees play volleyball under close supervision).

I was going to tell you about the talent show, but . . . OK, even I can only get so absurd here. But apparently there is no limit to how absurd a rock star like Michael Stipe can be with either his memory or his grasp of simple facts. There were never any internment camps or government-mandated quarantines, or were any discussed, proposed or contemplated. AIDS and HIV were new, frightening and mysterious things in the '80s, and everyone was trying to understand what to do about them and how to help those who had contracted them.

Obviously, because HIV is highly communicable, there was a lot of discussion about the best ways to stop its person-to-person spread. But no one ever proposed the sort of absurd nonsense Stipe describes. Which sort of makes you wonder: Is he engaging in hyperbole or did he really live in such a delusional bubble that he thought then - and maybe still thinks today - that the government under Reagan was rounding up AIDS patients and shipping them off to camps? Maybe people who move in the rock and roll world or who get their news from sources like Rolling Stone really think stuff like this went on. I guess it's that easy in hindsight to believe the left-wing legends about Reagan rather than remember the things he actually did - and didn't do.

Just a reminder: People who believe nonsense like this elected Barack Obama, and they are sadly still empowered to vote.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Music/Entertainment; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: aidscamps; barkingmoonbat; hivaids; homofascism; homosexualagenda; internmentcamps; michaelstipe; reagan; rem; revisionisthistory; rollingstoned; shoegazer
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1 posted on 07/05/2014 10:42:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Anybody ax him about the intolerance of his side towards a difference of opinion?

Pray America wakes up


2 posted on 07/05/2014 10:46:14 AM PDT by bray (Buy my book: http://braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: GeronL; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
Not a PING


3 posted on 07/05/2014 10:46:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: bray

What was he worried about, he and his partner were in a monogamous relationship and using protection, right?

Right?

If he was having so much gay sex in the 1980s when he was pitched as a teen heartthrob for the depressed chick set, I’m sure we would’ve heard about it then.

It’s not like the media hides key details about peoples’ public identities, right?

Right?


4 posted on 07/05/2014 10:48:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Wasn’t it Castro who was putting the HIV+ people on a little island all to themselves?


5 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:16 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: a fool in paradise

There was one?

6 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: PLMerite

That was so they could ge the BEST state medical treatment known to man. < /sarc >


7 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

And Dick Cheney pickin’ ‘em off from the balcony with a shotgun...


8 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:59 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: a fool in paradise

But at least he got his spine, and his Orange Crush.


9 posted on 07/05/2014 10:51:32 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: a fool in paradise

stupid is as stupid does.


10 posted on 07/05/2014 10:52:57 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: a fool in paradise
and how many other faggots did this filthy disease ridden queer infect in the mean time???
11 posted on 07/05/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: a fool in paradise
Honestly--Americans are so mentally diseased, I have to wonder what we are hanging on to here.

Here's a novel idea--instead of worrying about internment camps that do not exist, never existed and are so out of the realm of probability, how about these nuts worry about the ramifications of IV drugs or homosexual sex or whatever behavior they are engaging in that might give them the HIV.

12 posted on 07/05/2014 10:53:33 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: a fool in paradise

If he found out that he had HIV back then, three hots and a cot were the least of his worries.


13 posted on 07/05/2014 10:56:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: a fool in paradise

There WAS talk of quarantine among the population and in conservative magazines. The talk was, if this were a disease transmissible by air / droplets / casual contact, there would have been, to protect lives. And thousands of gays would have been saved. But instead the politics of the day were such that BECAUSE THE PATIENTS WERE GAY it wouldn’t be PC to do medically sane prevention. That would be “homophobic” so to prevent that horrible optic, more gays, MANY MORE GAYS, and many other victims (transfusion, wives of closeted men, injectable drug users) had to die.

It’s a stupid article. I worked in a blood lab at the time and there was serious talk about quarantining. We even “mini quarantined” the blood samples of AIDS patients and kept them away from the young college students (me included). But Reagan never mentioned it as far as I know. Sensible medical,professionals did.


14 posted on 07/05/2014 10:56:31 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL! My brother and I say that all the time.


15 posted on 07/05/2014 10:57:45 AM PDT by drew
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To: a fool in paradise

It’s the Cuban paradise that has AIDS camps.


16 posted on 07/05/2014 10:57:50 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: a fool in paradise

Nixon “talked about” using the IRS to target political enemies.

The Democrats actually used the IRS to target political enemies.

As far as I can tell, the Republicans never talked about rounding up citizens and putting them in internment camps.

That doesn’t mean the Democrats won’t do it!


17 posted on 07/05/2014 10:58:40 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: drew

I miss that uniform. I had to buy some BDUs even though I was getting out and they were relatively expensive.


18 posted on 07/05/2014 10:59:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Whats the frequency, Michael?


19 posted on 07/05/2014 11:05:53 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Yaelle

The bath/sex houses weren’t even shut down.


20 posted on 07/05/2014 11:07:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Ahh yes. The tolerance of the LGBTWHATEVER camp that shuts down businesses and destroys the lives of those who disagree with them.


21 posted on 07/05/2014 11:07:44 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: PLMerite

BINGO!


22 posted on 07/05/2014 11:09:33 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had to buy some BDUs even though I was getting out and they were relatively expensive.


I bought some ACUs for my last two years in. One benefit was you could take them straight out of the dryer, shake them out, put them on the hanger and never need to iron them.


23 posted on 07/05/2014 11:10:15 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

The permanent press fatigues (as in Stripes above) were the same way, but they looked even better ironed and starched. In Korea my housemen did it (never called them “houseboys” they were usually old enough to be my father) but stateside I usually didn’t bother.


24 posted on 07/05/2014 11:15:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I miss that uniform. I had to buy some BDUs even though I was getting out and they were relatively expensive.”

I always thought the BDUs were better: more roomy, you sweated less, the material was more comfortable and pockets galore.


25 posted on 07/05/2014 11:15:55 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I found them to be hot, but then my last duty station was HHOC, 105th Military Intelligence Battalion (CEWI), 5th (Mechanized) Infantry Division, Fort Polk, Louisiana.


26 posted on 07/05/2014 11:18:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Yaelle
Re: 14

I think this was the first time in the history of mankind where known carriers of a deadly, communicable disease, were not attempted to be kept isolated from the public.
And quite the opposite, the carriers were treated as virtual heroes and martyrs to their 'cause' of perversion. Billions of dollars raised to fight this disease (which was easily known how to prevent) and siphoned away from working on other diseases such as cancers and Alzheimer's.

27 posted on 07/05/2014 11:24:33 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; vladimir998

I found them to be hot, but then my last duty station was HHOC, 105th Military Intelligence Battalion (CEWI), 5th (Mechanized) Infantry Division, Fort Polk, Louisiana.


When they first implemented BDUs it seemed cooler places (Lakenheath, UK) only carried summer weight BDUs and hotter places (Barksdale, LA) only carried winter weight BDUs.


28 posted on 07/05/2014 11:32:44 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: a fool in paradise
Let's ask Arthur Ashe for his opinion on the quarantine of HIV patients.

Oh wait....

29 posted on 07/05/2014 11:33:03 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Yeah, ours were winter weight. I never wore them there except for one formation where they required it. I felt sorry for those guys as I waived to them from the rear-view mirror of my brand-new Ford EXP. Remember those? LOL


30 posted on 07/05/2014 11:35:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: El Cid

Yes, it trumped all $ for other diseases and they effectively stopped AIDS for those in modern countries. But political correctness and the refusal to quarantine killed a lot of people.


31 posted on 07/05/2014 11:39:44 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: El Cid

The move is on now to eliminate the laws that require persons with AIDS to notify their partner(s).

AIDS Pride and all that.

http://www.ippf.org/resource/Healthy-Happy-and-Hot-young-peoples-guide-rights

“A guide for young people living with HIV to help them understand their sexual rights”

“Sexual and reproductive rights are recognized around the world as human rights - Every person living with HIV is entitled to these rights and they are necessary for the development and well-being of all people and the societies in which they live.”

“Young people living with HIV may feel that sex is just not an option, but don’t worry — many young people living with HIV live healthy, fun, happy and sexually fulfi lling lives. You can too, if you want to! Things get easier (and sex can get even better) as you become more comfortable with your status.”

“This guide is here to support your sexual pleasure and health, and to help you develop strong intimate relationships. It explores how your human rights and sexual well-being are related and suggests strategies to help you
make decisions about dating, relationships, sex and parenthood. It explores the rights of young people living with HIV to:

• express and enjoy their sexuality (page 3)
• decide if, when, and how to disclose their
HIV status (page 5)
• experience sexual pleasure (page 7)
• take care of their sexual health (page 9)
• practise safer sex (page 11)
• choose if, when, how many, and with whom
to have children (page 13)
• access support and services that respect
their dignity, autonomy, privacy and
well-being (page 15)


32 posted on 07/05/2014 11:45:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

R.E.M.’s ‘Losing My Religion’, but in a major key, called ‘Regaining My Religion’. Musically interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KmiIq2-m8


33 posted on 07/05/2014 11:48:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: riri

*shrug* Projection.


34 posted on 07/05/2014 11:51:40 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Confirms my wise decision to remove all REM music from my iPod collection. It sits up in the cloud where it belongs, along with Barbara Streisand, Roger Waters and Dixie Chicks.


35 posted on 07/05/2014 11:52:47 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: a fool in paradise

Disheveled man at bus stop rambles on about "internment camps". No one cares.

36 posted on 07/05/2014 11:58:28 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I was working my way through college as a phlebotomist in a Catholic hospital at the height of this era. There was a doctor there who specialized in AIDS patients. If you saw his name on an order, you knew the patient was HIV+. Never saw anyone get hauled away.
37 posted on 07/05/2014 12:02:31 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: a fool in paradise

The guy is a Happy Meal short of a Happy Meal


38 posted on 07/05/2014 12:05:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Democrats rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in concentration camps during WWII. Germans got a pass.

During the 1930’s, Democrats used impoverished black men as lab rats, to see the effects of deliberately untreated syphilis.

When it come to gross inhumanity and wanton destruction of civil liberties, some Republicans might talk the talk. But Democrats get’er done.


39 posted on 07/05/2014 12:08:31 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: a fool in paradise

They smoked pot all the time.

It causes this sort of thinking.


40 posted on 07/05/2014 12:24:05 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Yaelle

Patient care providers were not allowed to know whether or not a patient they were working with was infected or not, as that would ‘violate patient privacy’. Instead, ALL patients were to be treated as if they were infected.

That part of the patient record was sealed from all nursing & ancillary staff; only the actual treating physician knew.

Lab draws for HIV testing were even coded to maintain anonymity from staff.

In cases of accidental needle-sticks, or other possible provider exposures, testing & follow up testing was done on the worker only, but the focus was to protect the “privacy” of any infected patient, unlike any other communicable disease. Isolation was out of the question, because it would “unfairly stigmatize” the patient—excuse me; the CLIENT.

It was insanity, and a major factor in my leaving patient care for a desk job.


41 posted on 07/05/2014 12:32:37 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: a fool in paradise

W is beloved in Africa for the HIV support he gave.


42 posted on 07/05/2014 12:37:46 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: a fool in paradise

It takes all that to tell them to masturbate, not fornicate?!?


43 posted on 07/05/2014 12:38:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Chewbarkah

Democrats rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in concentration camps during WWII. Germans got a pass.

During the 1930’s, Democrats used impoverished black men as lab rats, to see the effects of deliberately untreated syphilis.


Ever notice every “act of evil committed by the US” that the liberals shriek about were perpetrated by their fellows? Often, those they accuse were the ones fighting to expose and stop such behavior!


44 posted on 07/05/2014 12:43:58 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

And as far as internment camps for AIDS patients—the only person I can think of to do this would be Castro. A fellow traveler of Stipes and his ilk.


45 posted on 07/05/2014 12:46:07 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The problem is idiots on the left say things like this and there’s no push-back from idiots on the right, so the LIV’s go around thinking there were indeed internment camps for AIDS-positive people back in the 80’s.


46 posted on 07/05/2014 1:05:30 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: Arm_Bears

There were.... in Cuba!


47 posted on 07/05/2014 1:06:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: a fool in paradise
so, rather than risk internment camps -- imaginary or otherwise -- this brave soul chose to ignore the possibility that he might be carrying the "gay cancer" and just kept on keeping on?

I detested this imbecilic band even before I knew this about him.

48 posted on 07/05/2014 1:15:22 PM PDT by faszakutya
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To: faszakutya

He toured the world with his band di-n’t he?

Why didn’t he just go to a clinic and get tested in Canada or the UK?


49 posted on 07/05/2014 1:24:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Non-existent internment camps. Somebody should clue this freakin’ idiot things like internment(’’concentration)camps are creations of the Left(the Nazis, Soviet communists, etc.)


50 posted on 07/05/2014 1:28:32 PM PDT by jmacusa
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