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Can we open carry a machete ?
self | July 7, 2014 | knarf

Posted on 07/07/2014 6:03:49 AM PDT by knarf

I was thinking the other day about otherwise law-abiding citizens, convicted in the past of a felony and what they could do to protect themselves ...


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KEYWORDS: machete; opencarry
I thought first of a knife, but a knife seemed so small and unless wielded with some strength and expertise, might actually be used against you.

So what if a guy strapped a machete scabbard to his leg ... could he walk around WalMart without being asked to leave ?

Sounds like a silly question, but to those that are obeying the directive to remain un-armed and unprotected ... what do you do ?

1 posted on 07/07/2014 6:03:49 AM PDT by knarf
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To: knarf

My guess is that just as with firearms, regardless of the legality or illegality of an open-carry of a machete, you would be confronted and asked to leave, and if you did not, police would be summoned. Once confronted by the police, you would be disarmed, and if you resisted you would be beaten, tased, or shot, not necessarily in that order.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 6:08:18 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: knarf

I would think no. Even if it were legal it would be asking for trouble. It would be better to invest in some martial arts training.


3 posted on 07/07/2014 6:09:53 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: knarf
How about My Axe? :-P


4 posted on 07/07/2014 6:11:26 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: babygene
Hmmmm ... what DOES one do for personal protection, then ?

what about older, not so able to physically defend themselves .. people.

5 posted on 07/07/2014 6:12:13 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: uglybiker

how drunk WERE you to get all the ‘nuh’s correct ?


6 posted on 07/07/2014 6:13:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

One option is to perform many many acts of goodness and unselfishness so they are recognized and apply for a pardon.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 6:14:08 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: knarf

Non-felons can’t even legally carry a long-bladed knife in most localities, and a machete is just a big knife.


8 posted on 07/07/2014 6:14:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: knarf

here in S. FL, the landscapers open carry machetes all the time. It is the tool of choice and much quieter than a weed whacker! :-)


9 posted on 07/07/2014 6:17:30 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: knarf

Only in a zombie apocalypse.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 6:18:39 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: knarf

I think the restrictions should be lifted. If a criminal wants to get a gun, he will no matter what the restrictions say. As far as former felons are concerned, they’ve served their time.

“Reasonable” gun control is reasonably stupid.

Look at the case in Detroit where the scumbag killed the little girl to make her father suffer. Chances are neither man could legally own a weapon but I’d have certainly given the father a pass if he has shot the perp with an illegally owned weapon.


11 posted on 07/07/2014 6:19:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Or we could get all crazy about it and look at what the constitution says.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 6:20:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: knarf

Mace and a stun gun might be the ticket unless there is some law restricting otherwise law-abiding citizens, convicted in the past of a felony of doing so.

I ccw, but in the rare times I do not I always carry mace.


13 posted on 07/07/2014 6:20:42 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: knarf

I had that all figgered out back in grade school!


14 posted on 07/07/2014 6:21:36 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: knarf

“Hmmmm ... what DOES one do for personal protection, then ?
what about older, not so able to physically defend themselves .. people.”

You don’t have to live in a war zone. I’ve had a permit for 20 years and I never carry. Being able to protect yourself still doesn’t make living on the front lines acceptable.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 6:22:00 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: uglybiker
And my bow!


16 posted on 07/07/2014 6:25:13 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: knarf

“what do you do ?’

You make an improvised weapon and hide it in plane sight.

Trick the gang bangers have used works pretty good.

Take a bunch of old keys put them on a heavy key ring. Tie the key ring to a length of looped cord you can put around your wrist.

Congratulations you’ve got yourself a flail.

You’ll not only slap someone silly, it’ll slice and dice while your at it.


17 posted on 07/07/2014 6:25:58 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

18 posted on 07/07/2014 6:27:14 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: cripplecreek

We all want something for nothing.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 6:27:46 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: knarf

In short, do not attempt this in California.


20 posted on 07/07/2014 6:28:02 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: uglybiker

LOLOLOLOLOL


21 posted on 07/07/2014 6:28:31 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: uglybiker

22 posted on 07/07/2014 6:30:05 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: knarf

A good sharp knife is the way to go for me. I have a karambit that I carry everywhere. Not as good as carrying a 1911, but at least I’m never without a weapon. I have a Kukri that I would love to strap to my side,but hell it scares everyone who sees it.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 6:31:50 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
LOL
24 posted on 07/07/2014 6:33:14 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: baddog 219
I like Knives/daggers too....I just prefer Elvish ones......its the blue glow thing you know....


25 posted on 07/07/2014 6:33:25 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: baddog 219
(p>Pardon the bit of profanity please).
26 posted on 07/07/2014 6:35:38 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: knarf
You shouldn't have any problem carrying one of these.
27 posted on 07/07/2014 6:37:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: IMR 4350

The improvised flail is a good option. I like the paracord “self defense key fob” (A/K/A “Monkey Fist”), too. I prefer to use a larger steel ball than most of the instructions call for.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 6:39:30 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: knarf

A convicted felon carrying anything that can be viewed as a weapon is just begging for another trip to the Graybar Hotel.


29 posted on 07/07/2014 6:42:31 AM PDT by wrench
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To: knarf

A framing carpenter’s hammer would make a formidable weapon.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 6:44:04 AM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
And my....

Now you too can smell like Gimli!

31 posted on 07/07/2014 6:44:50 AM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: knarf

I do all the time.

Well, I have one strapped to my ATV. It stays in a scabbard on my ATV. I need it when I am out on the land.
We sometimes find ourselves on state owned land but I never really gave it any thought. The two game wardens I have encountered didn’t give it a second glance.


32 posted on 07/07/2014 6:57:45 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: knarf

“Cane swords. Hey look here, there would be alot more respect for the elderly if they all had cane swords.”


33 posted on 07/07/2014 7:00:44 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Charles Martel

“I like the paracord “self defense key fob” (A/K/A “Monkey Fist”), too.”

Problem is there is no other purpose for it other than a weapon so it’s not hidden in plain sight, you’re displaying a weapon.

With 1/4# to 1/2# of brass keys you just have a lot of locks to open, you look just like a security guard.

Ever noticed some security guards have a bit longer than normal leather strap on that bunch of keys they wear on their belts?

It’s a weapon hidden in plain sight when they are not allowed to carry other weapons.


34 posted on 07/07/2014 7:00:54 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: knarf

IIRC, it is illegal to possess a machete in New Jersey. I’m going to look it up now.


35 posted on 07/07/2014 7:07:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: knarf

Napalm;)


36 posted on 07/07/2014 7:07:06 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: knarf

Not in most States. Outlawed specifically.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 7:18:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: knarf

If the person has become a respectable part of society they can appeal the Court to get the conviction removed from their records.


38 posted on 07/07/2014 7:19:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: JimRed

New Jersey Knife Laws

njNew Jersey knife laws are wordy and oftentimes difficult to understand if one does not have formal legal education or training. This article takes New Jersey code and case law concerning knife ownership and carry and puts it into a language that makes it easy for anyone to understand what is legal and what is not.

What is Legal to Own
•It is legal to own a Balisong, or butterfly knife
•It is legal to own disguised knives like lipstick knives
•It is legal to own a Bowie knife
•It is legal to won throwing stars and throwing knives
•Any weapon for which a person has an explainable lawful purpose for owning

What is Illegal to Own
•It is illegal to own any weapon, with the purpose to use it unlawfully against the person or property of another
•It is illegal for a person convicted of certain crimes (see below) to own a gravity knife, switchblade, dirk, dagger, stiletto, or other dangerous knife
•It is illegal for certain mentally ill people to own a gravity knife, switchblade, dirk, dagger, stiletto, or other dangerous knife
•It is illegal to own a gravity knife, switchblade, dirk, dagger, stiletto, or other dangerous knife with any explainable lawful purpose

A conviction for aggravated assault, arson, burglary, escape, extortion, homicide, kidnapping, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, bias intimidation, possession of a prohibited weapon, possession of weapon for an unlawful purpose, manufacture or transport of a prohibited weapon, unlawful possession or sale of a controlled dangerous substance, or endangering the welfare of a child prevents a person from owning certain types of knives in New Jersey.

Definition of Weapon

The New Jersey legislature has defined weapon as anything “readily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury”. It further states that the term includes gravity knives, switchblade knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, or other “dangerous” knives. In 1982, in State v. Brown, the New Jersey Appellate Court found that a person does not need to intend to use a knife as a weapon in order for it to be considered a dangerous knife, and therefore a weapon. This decision can make it difficult for a person to determine if a particular knife is legal to own, as it could be considered a dangerous knife, even if the owner has no intention of using it to harm another. However, because New Jersey law allows for the possession of a dangerous knife, by those who have a legal purpose for owning them, any knife may be considered legal if owned for a “lawful purpose”.

Definition of Lawful Purpose

The phrase “lawful purpose” was challenged in State v. Blaine, when Mr. Blaine was discovered carrying a folding knife with a 4 inch blade. The Court reasoned that because the knife carried by Mr. Blaine was not a gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk or stiletto, those knives specifically mentioned by new Jersey statute as weapons, the defendant may escape a guilty finding, if the state cannot prove that he carried the knife for an unlawful purpose. As such, because there was no proof that Mr. Blaine did not carry the knife for a lawful purpose, he could not be found guilty of carrying an illegal weapon. The Blaine Court cited State v. Lee, in which the legislature’s intent, when enacting the law prohibiting the carrying of certain knives, was examined. In Lee, the Court described this intent as addressing:

…the situation in which someone who has not yet formed an intent to use an object as a weapon possesses it under circumstances in which it is likely to be so used. The obvious intent of the Legislature was to address a serious societal problem, the threat of harm to others from the possession of objects that can be used as weapons under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as those objects may have. Some objects that may be used as weapons also have more innocent purposes. For example, a machete can be a lethal weapon or a useful device for deep sea fishing.

In 2000, the New Jersey Supreme Court further clarified “lawful purpose” in State v. Burford, by describing two categories of deadly weapons as well as a third category of weapons, that it said may take on the characteristics of a deadly weapon, but that may also have a wide variety of lawful uses. The Court said that when determining whether a defendant possessing a weapon that falls within this third class of weapons is guilty of the unlawful possession of a deadly weapon, one must look at the circumstances under which it is possessed.

Exceptions to Unlawful Possession of a Knife

A person may not be convicted of the unlawful possession of a knife if he or she is carrying the knife for hunting or fishing purposes, the knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing, and the person has a valid hunting or fishing license. A person is also exempt from the unlawful possession statue if he or she is transporting a legal knife to or from a place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, so long as he or she has a valid hunting or fishing license. When carrying a knife for such purposes, the statute requires that it be locked in a box or the trunk of the vehicle in which it is being transported.

Restrictions on Carry

New Jersey statute does not impose any restrictions on the carrying of any legal knife. However, if a defendant is found carrying a gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, or stiletto (those knives specifically mentioned by New Jersey statute as a weapon), he or she may be charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, if there are circumstances which may lead one to believe that the knife is being possessed for an illegal purpose.

Definitions of Various Types of Knives

New Jersey code, 2C:39-1 defines a gravity knife as any knife that has a blade, which is released from the handle by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force (spinning the knife around). It also provides a definition for the term switchblade knife, which means any knife or instrument that has a blade, which opens automatically by pressing a button, spring, or other device on the handle. A ballistic knife, according the New Jersey statute is a weapon or other instrument capable of lethal use and which can propel a knife blade.

Knives Found in Vehicles

New Jersey code 2C:39-2, provides that when a weapon is found in a vehicle, it will be presumed to be in the possession of all of the occupants of the vehicle unless:

1. It is found on the person of one of the occupants, then it will be considered to be in his or her possession, OR

2. The weapon is out of view of the occupants (such as in the glove box), then it will be presumed to be in the possession of the person having access to such space, (the driver, owner, or person who rented or leased the vehicle), OR

3. The vehicle is a cab and the weapon is found in the passenger compartment, in which case it will be presumed to be in possession of all of the passengers and if there are no passengers, it will be presumed to be in possession of the driver of the cab.

Conclusion on New Jersey Knife Law

While persons who have been convicted of certain crimes or who are mentally ill may not possess dirks, daggers, switchblades, stilettos, or gravity knives, anyone else may own any type of knife they wish, as long as they have a lawful purpose for owning it, and do not intend to use it to harm another or his or her property.

New Jersey knife carry laws are quite unrestrictive, allowing for the open or concealed carry of any legal knife.

The laws in New Jersey are very vague about when it is legal to possess or carry a dirk, dagger, switchblade, stiletto, or gravity knife, and anyone carrying any of these knives in New Jersey should be very careful to avoid any circumstances, which may indicate that he or she is not carrying the knife for a legal purpose.

Sources
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-1 (2013)
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-2 (2013)
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-4 (2013)
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-5 (2013)
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-6 (2013)
•N.J. Stat. § 2C:39-7 (2013)
•State v. Brown, 185 N.J. Super. 449 A.2d 1314 (App.Div. 1982)
•State v. Blaine, 533 A.2d 980 (1987 N.J. Super.)
•State v. Burford, 746 A.2d 998 (2000 N.J. Super.)


39 posted on 07/07/2014 7:31:14 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

So, a machete is not specifically prohibited in N.J., but they can arrest you if they don’t buy your “legal purpose” for carrying it. Since this is New Jersey, I must assume that self-defense is NOT a legal purpose.


40 posted on 07/07/2014 7:34:47 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: uglybiker
A Bat'leth is a superior weapon!


41 posted on 07/07/2014 7:50:20 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: knarf

"That's a knife!"

42 posted on 07/07/2014 7:52:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: knarf

I mostly use my Ninja skills. And pepper spray.

In some places, I think you can carry a baseball bat only if you have a baseball or glove (so it is not perceived as a weapon).

A staff or club is an effective weapon that can be in the form of ordinary items that you encounter.

Tae Kwon Do is a good choice.


43 posted on 07/07/2014 8:21:17 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: knarf
If a person is too 'dangerous' to not be 'allowed' to carry any form of a weapon, they are too dangerous to be allowed in public.

As for carrying a blade. The walking cane sword combo is fun and fashionable.

44 posted on 07/07/2014 8:33:25 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: knarf

“what about older, not so able to physically defend themselves .. people.”

Depends on how old I guess. If I were past a certain age, I’d just stop giving a hoot and carry the gun illegally. I’d take my chances with the jury.


45 posted on 07/07/2014 8:44:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: knarf
Cold Steel Gladius Machete
46 posted on 07/07/2014 9:26:57 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Fightin' in a basement)
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To: knarf

When I was a kid I went to summer camp up in Maine. It was cool for each kid to have his own axe for chopping firewood, so I had one.. which I took on the planes with me going and returning from camp. Never had a problem with that... but I guess that wouldn’t work so well these days.


47 posted on 07/07/2014 9:30:57 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: uglybiker

lolol


48 posted on 07/07/2014 2:14:53 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: knarf

All about the intent...

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/makes-weapon-intent/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IntoTheFray-7-07-2014.html%20(2)&utm_content=&spMailingID=8967922&spUserID=NTY1NTE0ODM3S0&spJobID=340569420&spReportId=MzQwNTY5NDIwS0

In the end, I guess a jury will decide.


49 posted on 07/07/2014 9:12:14 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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