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FDA grapples with oversight of fecal transplants
Associated Press ^ | Jun. 26, 2014 1:20 PM EDT | Matthew Perrone

Posted on 07/13/2014 7:38:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Imagine a low-cost treatment for a life-threatening infection that could cure up to 90 percent of patients with minimal side effects, often in a few days.

It may sound like a miracle drug, but this cutting-edge treatment is profoundly simple—though somewhat icky: take the stool of healthy patients to cure those with hard-to-treat intestinal infections. A small but growing number of physicians have begun using these so-called fecal transplants to treat Clostridium difficile, commonly referred to as C-diff, a bacterial infection that causes nausea, cramping and diarrhea. The germ afflicts a half-million Americans annually and kills about 15,000 of them.

But fecal transplants pose a challenge for the Food and Drug Administration, which has decided to regulate the treatment as an experimental drug. […]

Most researchers agree that the FDA’s concerns are warranted. Patients can contract HIV, hepatitis and other viruses and parasites from fecal matter that is not properly screened. Additionally, there are no long-term studies on potential side effects of stool transplantation. …

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: bacteria; colon; coloninfections; fecaltransplants

1 posted on 07/13/2014 7:38:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Innovative, but I’ll bet it’s expensive.

Crunched-up papaya seeds, black walnut husk, probiotics, enemas, and exercise, folks.

Give it about a year and you’ll get the same results, and almost for free.

There are A LOT of natural, cheap stuff besides the above the kill of yeast, fungus and parasites quite readily.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 7:47:16 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

There are A LOT of natural, cheap stuff besides the above THAT KILL OFF yeast (Candida albicans), fungus and parasites quite readily.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 7:48:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Give it about a year and you’ll get the same results, and almost for free.

Without aggressive treatment, you likely won't last a year with C. diff, walnut husks notwithstanding.

4 posted on 07/13/2014 7:56:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Olog-hai

Must be a Pelosi thing - you have to pass it in order to know what’s in it.


5 posted on 07/13/2014 7:58:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (When the government is above the law, it's called fascism.)
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To: gaijin

They have been doing these for a while...it is very effective, and not that expensive.

It is kind of disgusting to consider, but the quality of life for people cured by it far, far outweighs that.

If I had C-Diff, I would do it in a heartbeat if the antibiotics can’t get rid of it, which sometimes, they can’t.

If you are an older person and you get it, your remedy won’t fix it. I can be pretty nasty, and deadly.


6 posted on 07/13/2014 7:59:48 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Olog-hai

The ewww factor here is strong.

But if I were to contact c-diff...I would be on the phone to my relatives begging for a fecal transplant.

I’ve seen many die from it.


7 posted on 07/13/2014 8:00:08 PM PDT by berdie
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To: gaijin

Whoops..! I almost forgot the most important one:

Bentonite Clay. Here is my cheap bulk source (with whom I have no biz relationship, other than being a customer):

http://www.herbco.com/p-1002-claybentonite.aspx

Mix a couple heaping tablespoons of it in a big 2-liter thing of clean water, shake it up, and then it sit for an hour or so to dissolve —looks like muddy water (grey tang?), doesn’t taste too crazy at all. Maybe 4 pounds will do you for one year, and that’s cheap as heck.

Drink 1/3 liter in the morning and at night -—your gunned up intestines will freaking LOVE YOU for this.

The clay has a strong negative charge and binds particles that have a strong positive charge —that most gunk.

Now if you take a bunch of minerals right after drinking bentonite clay you’d probably just bind up those minerals and be robbed of whatever benefit they’d otherwise have imparted, so if you take minerals, take them at some other time of the day.

If you are over 40 I will guarantee you have MUCH MORE gunk in you than you wager, and that’s even if you eat pretty well.

To really clean up the process is GRADUAL —this is not instant magic.


8 posted on 07/13/2014 8:01:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: hinckley buzzard

Exactly. If you are older and get it (usually because you are being treated for something else) this thing will not only make your life miserable if antibiotics cannot get rid of it, it will weaken you to point you will be open to a host of other nasty things.

I know something of this treatment, and while it is...er...kind of nasty to consider the cure, if you see people who get C-Diff, you grasp they would even consider forgoing the NG tube to put the stool in, and are desperate enough to eat a crap sandwich.

Plain.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 8:03:42 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

I agree —C-Diff is a different kettle of fish than run of the mill gunk. C-Diff is really serious.

But I think for those w/o C-Diff and just suffering from generally poor health and stuff like R.A. and low energy, etc, my protocol is not a bad one to try out.

I gave the wrong impression, I think.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 8:04:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: berdie

Agreed.

IIRC, I think this treatment actually evolved from a veterinary procedure...I think they have done it on cows for a long time.


11 posted on 07/13/2014 8:06:48 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: gaijin

I know where you are coming from. I think we could all take better care of our insides, and your advice doesn’t sound that bad to me.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Olog-hai

this explains why dogs have such healthy intestines


13 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:40 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Olog-hai

I was positive the headline was a typo, but couldn’t think of what it would have been.

Nope. It’s a fecal transplant all right.

5h17.


14 posted on 07/13/2014 8:10:10 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Olog-hai

I heard of this — doctors say it sounds disgusting, but it is very effective.

But they have antibiotics which kill C difficile — I think they only use the fecal transplants in cases that are resistant to the antibiotics.


15 posted on 07/13/2014 8:13:34 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Olog-hai

Get your feces together FDA.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 8:14:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Olog-hai

Gubment “oversight” of fecal transplants? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Those are being conducted around the clock in Bath House Barry’s Man’s Country bath house, and queer bars everywhere - no gubment stupidvision, either.


17 posted on 07/13/2014 8:19:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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To: Olog-hai

hang on..... WHAT?

No wait... I do not want to know


18 posted on 07/13/2014 8:20:30 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai
I remember all the sitcom jokes about being a sperm donor.

Now they're going to a field day with fesces donors to stool banks.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 8:23:29 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: gaijin

Is this recommended for Candida as well, the Bentonite clay?


20 posted on 07/13/2014 8:23:31 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: rlmorel

I have read the same re:cows.

It’s amazing to me how much our medical treatment evolves from the veterinary field.


21 posted on 07/13/2014 8:25:56 PM PDT by berdie
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To: FrdmLvr
Is this recommended for Candida as well, the Bentonite clay?

Yes, it is, but it's also recommended to also starve out the Candida a little, or a lot, which means cutting back for a time on the simple carbs, e.g. soda, cakes, breads…white flower stuff generally.

Candida albicans originally means "glowing white" and waaay more people have it than they suspect.

You can also combine the Bentonite water with a spoon of psyllium husk powder --that stuff is great!

The key is to make a habit of hitting it, a little at a time, just keep chipping away at it and don't feed it the foods it really needs.

Starve it, bind it, flush it.

22 posted on 07/13/2014 8:33:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: berdie

I went on a tour of the Tufts Veterinary College a long time ago, and they had a cow there that actually had an opening into her intestine. It was a big, screwed cap about six inches across, and when they needed some, they just unscrewed it and dipped some out.

The cow seemed perfectly happy, but it was weird as hell to see that!


23 posted on 07/13/2014 8:38:24 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: bigbob

Hahahahaha...washed down with a tasty draught from the porcelain goddess!

I am sure they find that water much more flavorful!


24 posted on 07/13/2014 8:39:56 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: FrdmLvr

“Is this recommended for Candida as well, the Bentonite clay?”

Also Caprylic Acid. Pokes holes in the yeast bacteria.

I use this for leaky gut followed by Saccharomyces Boulardii probiotic. (UC)


25 posted on 07/13/2014 8:40:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Olog-hai
Patients can contract HIV, hepatitis and other viruses and parasites from fecal matter that is not properly screened.

Americans can also lose their health insurance and their doctors from fecal matter coming from Obama's mouth that is not properly screened...

26 posted on 07/13/2014 8:48:41 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: GeronL

“Oh my candida ...” Tony Orlando was singing about his precious bodily solids.


27 posted on 07/13/2014 10:16:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

more than I needed to know. heh


28 posted on 07/13/2014 10:25:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai
Patients can contract HIV, hepatitis and other viruses and parasites from fecal matter that is not properly screened.

Definitely an issue in San Fagsicko and NYC........

29 posted on 07/13/2014 10:30:12 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: GeronL

But it’s a hopeful song:
Oh my candida,
We could make it together.
The sooner we go all the better,
Where the air is fresh and clean,
Ohhhhh


30 posted on 07/13/2014 10:38:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

lolz


31 posted on 07/13/2014 10:41:25 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: berdie

No wonder I’m so healthy. I get fecal transplants at work all the time.


32 posted on 07/13/2014 11:24:23 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: gaijin
Innovative, but I’ll bet it’s expensive.

Not terribly expensive, no.

Crunched-up papaya seeds, black walnut husk, probiotics, enemas, and exercise, folks.

If that sounds like a "walk it off" sort of thing to you, I invite you to exercise, eat ground up nut shells, and take enemas next time you're diagnosed with a life-threatening illness.

Clostridium difficile causes very high white blood cell counts, severe pain, crippling colitis, and endless nausea. It can eventually lead to death.

Give it about a year and you’ll get the same results, and almost for free.

No, you'll end up deader than a doornail. "Dead" is free, though, I guess.

There are A LOT of natural, cheap stuff besides the above the kill of yeast, fungus and parasites quite readily.

Clostridium difficile can progress to something called toxic megacolon, which can kill the patient. Painfully, I might add. It kills around 14,000 people in the US annually.

Additionally, it isn't yeast, fungus, or a parasite. It is a bacteria. If you believe that any of what you mention can kill dangerous bacteria, please take a public pledge to never use antibiotics or any sort of anti-bacterial treatment ever.

33 posted on 07/14/2014 12:29:24 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mountainbunny

A better (and quicker) solution is to take Dificid (Fidaxomicin). I have seen it literally save lives. Often folks have been cured in a matter of days. For some reason, few doctors are aware of its existence.

-imm


34 posted on 07/14/2014 3:23:03 AM PDT by iMacMan
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To: gaijin

Bentonite clay does not dissolve. You can pour directly into shot glass and down the hatch. No need to dilute in anything. Whole foods carries it next to the probiotics.


35 posted on 07/14/2014 4:28:10 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: corkoman

Its a bit gritty. If you use bulk clay yes you do need to suspend in some water.

36 posted on 07/14/2014 4:33:20 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: iMacMan
Re. Fidaxomicin

Is that a relatively new drug? My mother has been fighting C-diff for several months and does not seem to be improving at all. I think her current medication is Flagyl (Metronidazole).

37 posted on 07/14/2014 5:07:29 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: ken in texas

I heard of it in Aug. 2012 when it cured a friend’s C. Diff in about a week. Four months later it stopped C. Diff in a few days for my B-i-L. He walked out of the hospital completely cured. His doc had never heard of it before we told him about it!

See:

http://www.dificid.com

Just noticed the FDA has approved it.

See:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm257024.htm

Have her doc “Bing it” for more...

-imm


38 posted on 07/15/2014 3:37:57 AM PDT by iMacMan
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