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The Reality of Survival: “Forget Good Guys and Bad Guys… The Prepared Guys Win”
SHTF Plan ^ | 7/21/14 | Selco

Posted on 07/21/2014 4:07:11 PM PDT by Kartographer

TV news and internet are covered with headlines like “shocking, captured Iraqis beheaded” or “they are killing everyone on their way” and “prisoners executed” and similar.

And folks who watch and comment on the news and videos who still live in a “normal” world without this kind of crazyiness going on, are shocked of course.

First comments are that those people and groups who are doing that are animals and they need to be “bombed to stone age”, or “they are not deserving better anyway” and then goes “they are all same there, let them kill each other” and similar.

While I would definitely like to see that fanatics getting “eradicated” there, there are more things that should be considered.

Most of the folks are not going to watch video of that violence, because it is too much for them (like this video that “promotes” ISIS), they will change channel, or simply open the page with news from the “celebrity world.”

People do not want to watch or think about bad things, people want to forget that, and yes, at the end there comes again that famous “it cannot happen to us” idea.

Do you really think that when (not if) SHTF events would be much different in your part of the world? Do you think that when collapse happens, you and people around you in your town will be somehow able to organize food distribution, security and safety for residents, and all those criminals and sick bastards will somehow disappear, and there is going to be new better society? Are you under the influence of movies and you think that good guys win almost always and that there is justice and sense in everything?

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KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers
When Selco speaks wis Preppers listen.
1 posted on 07/21/2014 4:07:11 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 07/21/2014 4:07:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Be prepared and prepare to bunker up with your family when it really gets bad. Safety in numbers.


3 posted on 07/21/2014 4:12:56 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

Imagine Muslim Albanians murdering their neighbors and relatives for anything of value while trapped in a large city surrounded by Serbs firing on the city. Or build something.

How far can you get with a truck driven on wood gas fuel??? Amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyVT_dlDNEA


4 posted on 07/21/2014 4:19:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer
I always seem to get some FReeper who complains about Selco's writing. As I have explained before Selco is a Bosnian and survived the Siege of Sarajevo, so english is not his first language, in fact what he does know of English he was pretty much self taught. He also isn't someone setting around in a cabin in woods or already hunkered down in a bunker somewhere. He's been there and done that and lived to tell about it. Here's a brief bit about him from SHTF Plan: For those who have never seen Selco’s work, he’s the real deal. He was there in the 1990′s when his city in the Balkans was surrounded by a hostile army. From one day to the next life as he and those around him knew it had changed drastically. The media, of course, told people that everything would be fine. But As Selco highlighted in a previous article, the reality of collapse was brutal. Peace and stability very quickly turned to war and madness. He details his experience in his One Year in Hell survival course. In the article below, Selco shares his views on what it means to survive when your entire way of life has been cut off from the rest of the world. For those of you who don't know about Bosnia and Sarajevo look and learn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/9270205/Pictures-of-Sarajevo-15-years-ago-and-today-show-how-the-city-has-changed.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alQHzsq2eKY
5 posted on 07/21/2014 4:19:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/9270205/Pictures-of-Sarajevo-15-years-ago-and-today-show-how-the-city-has-changed.html

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+Sarajevo+neigborhood+under+seige


6 posted on 07/21/2014 4:20:36 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It is your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

The world is dry tinder just awaiting the right spark.

So listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

Selco covers this in this article many times people just can not except that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes. Why don’t they realize it? It’s caused by a condition called ‘Normalcy Bias’ a mental state people enter when facing a disaster.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Just getting started or an old hand you might find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download the manual at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, cash (I myself have been putting up change for the past few years both for the metal content and the fact that using change places to make what purchases you can will move you down the the list of possible marks during shtf), tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Again I like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

And More

Also there is Ferfal’s Blog a survivor of Argentina’s first collapse:

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

And there is Selco’s Blog a Bosnian War survivor at:

http://shtfschool.com/

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”


7 posted on 07/21/2014 4:22:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

When the Fall happens it’ll take about 24 hours for that thin little veneer we call “civilization” to be stripped away.


8 posted on 07/21/2014 4:23:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Quicker if it’s Black Friday! ;-)


9 posted on 07/21/2014 4:25:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I would trust Okies to pull for each other.

I’ve seen em do it in some of the worst disasters.

Tornadoes, floods, hail, etc.

We just run around helping out.

Eastside and Northside can stay in their area and fk things up.

Bad idea to cross territories and think they will exert any pressure.


10 posted on 07/21/2014 4:35:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kartographer

Proverbs 22:3?

22:3/556... LOL...


11 posted on 07/21/2014 4:39:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

I never notice that before! Very fitting!


12 posted on 07/21/2014 4:43:53 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I plan on going hunting.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 4:56:20 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kartographer

If you are going to quote Selco use his site http://shtfschool.com/community/selco-one-year-in-hell/


14 posted on 07/21/2014 5:54:51 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Kartographer

Has Selco talked about the worst thing he had to do in survival? Societal collapse changes preconceptions of right and wrong if you want to stay alive right? I wonder what his worst eperience was that challenged his self perception and what his advice is on how one avoids becoming a monster too.


15 posted on 07/21/2014 5:55:46 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Be prepared and prepare to bunker up...”

Develop plans B, C, and D. Your bunker may not be habitable.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 6:09:29 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: conservativeimage.com

https://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/selco-on-collapse-survival-nature-is-brutal-everyones-life-is-in-danger_12132013

https://archive.today/o/MfaUe/http://shtfschool.com/survival-psychology/you-survived-but-dead-inside/


17 posted on 07/21/2014 6:24:12 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Clean_Sweep

I didn’t quote him.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 6:34:13 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lurker
When the Fall happens it’ll take about 24 hours for that thin little veneer we call “civilization” to be stripped away.

I just hope the transition is quick. More scary than the partial rule of law we have today, where even Obama has to pay some attention to appearances when he ignores or beaks our laws - and more frightening than the complete collapse of law, when there will be no police or military at all - is the transition where you shoot one or more zombies in self-defense and the surviving zombies can expect police/military backup against you.

19 posted on 07/21/2014 7:05:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

We live in interesting times.


20 posted on 07/21/2014 7:06:49 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Yes we will be hunting. Lots of woods around where we will be. Low population and millions of deer. We are planning on the whole family at our retreat. Two people will be hard pressed to defend a property if the wrong people come along.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 7:30:48 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer
ya. thanks, i guess.

he screamed so long. i wanted him to stop. and then he did.

now you know.

stop military suicide and ptsd.

patriotoutreach.org

22 posted on 07/21/2014 9:56:49 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: conservativeimage.com

No one said it would be pretty.


23 posted on 07/21/2014 10:11:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lurker

Robert Heinlein pointed out, way back in the 50’s (some of the best essays on survival ever written) that NO “civilization” is more than two missed meals away from chaos.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 6:52:48 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Kartographer

Texas will immediately secede and both the National Guard and Reserves will man the border. You will have to prove Texas citizenship and ability to make a living before crossing the border.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 8:54:23 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: conservativeimage.com
"Societal collapse changes preconceptions of right and wrong if you want to stay alive right?"

Most people who publicly discuss suburban prepping/survivalism haven't been realistically acquainted with poor people living in very backwards conditions (visits from tourist corrals with fancy accomodations don't count). Poverty doesn't make morality go away. Only criminal minds continue to resort to immorality, when their environment gets rough (e.g., transition from office "politics" to retarded armed robbery attempts).

"Has Selco talked about the worst thing he had to do in survival?"

Here are some excerpts with quotes from him in another article.

A Survival Q & A: Living Through SHTF In The Middle Of A War Zone
SHTF Plan ^ | 10-25-2011 | Chris Kitze

I was lucky, my family was big in that time (15 members in one big house, 5-6 pistols, 3 Kalashnikov s)...for 1 corned beef can you could have woman for couple of hours(sounds bad, but it was reality)...candles, lighters,antibiotics,fuel,batteries, rifle ammo and of course food, we fight like animals for that...It is not important witch side had right in that war...there were normal people like you and me, fathers, granddads, decent folks, who robed and killed, there was not too much good and bad guys, most of us was gray, ready for everything...one more example, i am a registered nurse...that was not Cristian vs Muslim war, it was civil war, with lot of switching between sides...i am not going into religious stories,...i am not belong to any dogma, Muslim or Christian...be sure, you are going to do some bad things to save your kid...I am nurse, also i am paramedic...In case of weapon keep it simple, i mean now i always carry Glock 45 with me, because i like that gun, but it is not usual gun and usual caliber here, so i also have two 7,62 mm TT russian pistols hidden...you need to be prepared to do some ugly things...I don’t anymore believe government and authority, not at all...i am not here to discuss...religion or anything similar...i have lot of alcohol stacked now...i did not notice a lot pets in that time, did somebody ate it? I don t know, probably...my wife is different ethnicity, and she is also a Catholic, i am not, and to answer you : no i am not going to shoot her...Hm, i had a lot of alcohol as i mentioned before, i traded almost everything without any problem, let me say it like this: consumption of alcohol was probably 10 times more than in normal time...When your friend must choose between his child s death and your death quess who is going to choose...If i can give some advice: first to prep is a weapon and ammo...in the first period weak people vanished, other fight...Get in your prepper storage some reanimation kit (simple one)...people need alcohohol more in desperte times then usual, so it is kind of gambling i guess...Thing is i had all that alcohol for free...



26 posted on 07/22/2014 3:08:11 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: conservativeimage.com
Very related to the topic.

Soldier: Terrorists Charged with Babies in Hand
Arutz Sheva ^ | 22/7/14 | Shimon Cohen, Maayana Miskin
"One parent reported that terrorists had run at IDF soldiers with a gun in one hand and a baby in the other, apparently in hopes that the soldiers would see the child and hold their fire."

That's the kind of behavior that many people from some cultures would agree with to this day. Generally, people from early American culture would not agree with such behavior in the roughest of circumstances. A few people in America today would (mostly descendants of more recent arrivals from very foreign cultures).


27 posted on 07/22/2014 5:15:22 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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