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Can the GOP use Illegal immigration as a wedge issue to speak to black voters?

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:30:02 AM PDT by eekitsagreek

With such a hot-button topic as illegal immigration and knowing that the vast majority of blacks are against this issue, is the GOP doing anything to reach out to black voters? It would seem like this would be a worthwhile effort.

Or am I wrong on this?


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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: eekitsagreek

What ... offer the GOP blessing to one group of freeloaders by taunting them with the prospect of being called ‘Conservatives’ (a title neither group comprehends or respects) JUST to spite another group of equally demanding and anti-American freeloaders?

Really?

What a waste of time and effort.

Neither group will ever BE actual Conservatives ... and the GOP has been unsuccessfully pandering to black voters for donkey’s years!


22 posted on 07/25/2014 10:13:30 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: moehoward
It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough. I'm sure someone would understand that more mouths in the trough means less for those already there.

No jobs, fewer freebies, I'm sure the GOP could make an argument that would sway some blacks, but the real problem is the GOP won't because they want illegals here just as bad as the democrats.

23 posted on 07/25/2014 10:17:17 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough. I'm sure someone would understand that more mouths in the trough means less for those already there.

Exactly. The GOP could use that with any number of issues. Unfortunately there are a good many conservatives who aren't quite bright enough to figure out the difference between reaching out is not the same as pandering.
24 posted on 07/25/2014 10:26:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: eekitsagreek
"Eventually the money that pays for the freebies will run out, then what happens?"

We ran out years ago. We just borrow it from China or whoever is fool enough to give it to us. Whatever it takes to keep them placated, because once they NEED that job, things will get violent.

25 posted on 07/25/2014 10:27:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: eekitsagreek

There is nobody smart enough in the GOPe to handle a campaign like that.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 10:30:43 AM PDT by jch10 (WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THE COYOTE IN CHIEF?)
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To: TexasCajun

Agreed. Black are Conservative on a whole host of issues from religious freedom, gay marriage and school vouchers.

But they won’t vote Republican because they’ve been conditioned for generations to believe that Republicans are racist. And to tune out (if not treat with dismissive contempt) anyone who attempts to tell them otherwise.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 10:31:58 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: eekitsagreek

They should show them the 340 bills the republicans passed and they all are on Harry Reid’s desk he won’t let them come up for a vote ahh the democrats helping the American people again.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 10:32:09 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: eekitsagreek

The GOP can’t do anything but make deals with communists.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 10:33:55 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: SMARTY

The GOP talks about big tent by changing their principles to bring in more people. Instead Ronald Reagan believed in getting people to join the republican party based on shared beliefs in conservative values.

Abortion is killing the influence the black community has in society. They can be made to see that liberals have sold them an anti-God bill of goods on abortion. As to gay marriage, blacks are way more conservative and they understand the importance of religion in life unlike most of the rest of the democrat party. That, combined with immigration would make them the natural allies Reagan talked about.

It’s not like conservatives don’t have to deal with part time believers already. Look at the libertarians. They share some conservative beliefs and have other liberal ones. You don’t have to be 100% pure in philosophy but you should at least share the philosophy.

Right now, for whatever reason, the republican party is running from the very values that conservatives and blacks share. They want to bring in illegals which is very bad for the black community and they are trying to go with the flow on gay marriage. As long as they continue on this direction, neither blacks or conservatives will be willing to go with them.


30 posted on 07/25/2014 10:36:40 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
"It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough."

So the GOP position would be 'there's only so much free crap, Illegals are taking the Black man's free crap'?

31 posted on 07/25/2014 10:42:19 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: tanknetter
And to tune out (if not treat with dismissive contempt) anyone who attempts to tell them otherwise.

The Black Slavers will now allow any escapes from the Democrat Plantation!

...else it's the hot box!

32 posted on 07/25/2014 10:44:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: eekitsagreek

Maybe they could, but they would just screw it up because they are incompetent.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 10:44:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Waryone

The GOP is at a perennial disadvantage... because to grasp Conservatism, it is necessary to think and plan beyond the immediate, personal and temporary.

The Liberal voter base has NO inclination for this nor do they have (and have NEVER had) this level of sophistication in their thinking.

Granted, you don’t need to be a genius to grasp the basics of Conservatism, but even grasping the basics is a stretch for most Liberals.


34 posted on 07/25/2014 10:45:21 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: moehoward

Sadly, that’s probably the argument that needs to be made. It won’t win Blacks over to the GOP, but it might spur them to do the “pox on both your houses” thing and stay home on election day.

Actually, if Conservatives were smart we’d do what the Dems do with settingvup and supporting “Libertarian” candidates: set up “Progressive Party” candidates who would go into the Black community and peel off votes using that argument.


35 posted on 07/25/2014 10:47:51 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
"set up “Progressive Party” candidates who would go into the Black community and peel off votes using that argument."

I like it!

36 posted on 07/25/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

In public speaking you always consider your audience. The gravy train will run out quicker with the invaders sucking it up. The invading illegals are taking everything — jobs, identities, US sovereignty, money, free stuff. Why not tell the truth and win converts?


37 posted on 07/25/2014 10:57:52 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone

Yeah. I’m guessing there’s plenty of older Black folks who know what’s going on. It’s the ‘non-cursive-readers’ that are unreachable. Until the flow of hand-outs stop, they will not get it. A warning of ‘it’s running out’ means nothing to a demographic who is only concerned with today.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 11:11:54 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward
It’s tough sell to get them to give up the freebies in return for a crap job.

“A man must stand erect, not be kept erect by others.”
- Marcus Aurelius

Stand erect, accept a hand up in place of a handout, or lay there and stay out of my way.
- JimRed

39 posted on 07/25/2014 1:21:17 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: eekitsagreek

Only if they were smart and courageous and honest. Nuff said.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 3:04:04 PM PDT by Williams
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