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Where Did All the Entry-Level Jobs Go? Many Firms Expect New Graduates to Arrive Job-Ready
Wall Street Journal ^ | 08/07/2014 | LAUREN WEBER and MELISSA KORN

Posted on 08/07/2014 6:54:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Dilbert San Diego

Studying women was more of a hobby than a professional pursuit when I was in school. That said, I did receive a graduate-level education in that discipline, even though it’s not on my diploma.


21 posted on 08/07/2014 7:30:32 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: dfwgator

Nothing happened to it.


22 posted on 08/07/2014 7:30:34 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: GailA
Today’s kids can’t even read cursive in many states


23 posted on 08/07/2014 7:30:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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24 posted on 08/07/2014 7:34:55 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Oberon

LOL, I too studied women when I was in school.

I was fascinated by them. I wanted to be with them, and was always trying to figure out what made them behave the way they do, what “made them tick” so to speak.

But, never got a degree in any of that. LOL.


25 posted on 08/07/2014 7:35:35 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
You might say I went on to do post-graduate work... I got married the same year my new wife graduated, and later would father a couple of daughters. One of these is now in college.

I still don't really know what makes them tick.

26 posted on 08/07/2014 7:40:15 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: SeekAndFind

Far too many high school and college graduates are not ready for an entry level job. Requirements: Show up on time for the interview and for every single day of work, actually work at work rather than play Facebook/twitter/CandyCrush/PornSurf, deliver more in value than your employer is paying for your labor, treat customers and co-workers politely and professionally. A disappointing number of our youth think that each of those requirements is unreasonable.


27 posted on 08/07/2014 7:52:01 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Oberon

Yep, women are still something of a mystery.

I too, married for decades, but still not quite sure sometimes about how my wife thinks......

For all I know she thinks the same way about men. Based on what I see in women’s magazines, I think women often wonder about the men in their lives.


28 posted on 08/07/2014 7:57:41 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: nonamer

No, you come into an entry level job in say, software development. The majority of colleges and community colleges do not teach specific software development tools, they use commonly used tools and if the new job uses that tool fine, but the standards, requirements, versions of software and use of software tools as well as the languages used are usually specific if not unique. Few schools specifically teach SAP for instance and even if they do it is at a general level and not the way the tool is used in a specific environment. Same thing applies to most jobs until you get down to maybe automotive mechanics or technicians and even that education doesn’t include every auto model or span of years. Education and job training should provide you with the basics such as knowing a couple of programming languages and how to apply them to write applications. It is just that; basic knowledge. Few operations or businesses function well by relying on just basic knowledge. Training and retraining to fit the specific operational needs is essential to building and maintaining basic skills into job specific skills.

Finally, a doctor interns right out of med school. Internship and residency are training to build specific skills. They know the job duties, in general. Would you be comfortable with a newly graduated doctor performing surgery as the primary surgeon, on you?


29 posted on 08/07/2014 8:04:34 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
LOL, I too studied women when I was in school.

I too studied women. And was often found "behind" in my studies until I fully applied myself and became abreast of their outstanding qualities.

30 posted on 08/07/2014 8:16:44 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not ask what colleges are putting out? A new engineer will have little trouble finding a job. Did they ask any of these poor darlings if they were willing to move?


31 posted on 08/07/2014 8:21:39 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: RJS1950

Sure, schools can only teach so many programming languages while specific or customized software most likely won’t be learned in school. Kids who study programming are, however, more adaptable to the needs of an entry level job as opposed to a kid who majored in gender studies. That’s also not the only requirement of the job in my opinion. Programmers need other skills, such as problem solving, to do the job. A Bachelor of Science degree as opposed to a Bachelor of Arts in gender studies will develop those skills.

Also, you used doctors as an example. That’s a whole different ballgame of education and training and I would say there is no entry level doctor. However, what about the nurses? Are entry level nurses taught how to draw blood, listen for a pulse, take blood pressure, etc. on the job? Of course not, they’re taught that in school. By the way, I did have a kidney biopsy performed on me by a first-time surgeon. Obviously, that’s not very life threatening but as another surgeon told me at the time, a metal instrument is being thrust into your body to extract a piece of an organ...much can go wrong.

I do agree, however, that basic training is what someone will get from college or vocational schools. That, of course, is never going to make them the expert at a specific company. However, isn’t it also wise for a company to hire entry level people that may have at least seen and used different programming languages before? Isn’t it in their best interest to look for people that have an interest in that field and not some generic course of study? Hiring a “great” kid and teaching him to be a programmer isn’t cost effective. These hiring practices of looking for people who have some knowledge of the job have been common for a long time. That’s why entry level is simply a place for people to prove themselves.


32 posted on 08/07/2014 8:45:10 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: SeekAndFind

My stupid boss is always complaining about applicants who don’t have experience (just graduated from college).......I just roll my eyes because he is so idiotic to realize that you can’t have experience if you don’t get hired. He is such an idiot. Oh well. I guess I should be appreciative of the job I have. Although some days. Today I am on a sick day because I have a 1 o’clock medical appointment. So I am have a 1/2 days hookie day.


33 posted on 08/07/2014 8:52:56 AM PDT by napscoordinator (I guarantee every FRiend Misses the lost opportunity of a President Santorum!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Why would anyone major in women’s studies?

The ONLY job I could even figure is a professor in the college they just graduated from. Otherwise, their options are very limited. I guess a job at Planned Parenthood MIGHT be a possibility (check morals at the door). I don’t know but I think it is kinda crazy to major in such a thing.


34 posted on 08/07/2014 8:55:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator (I guarantee every FRiend Misses the lost opportunity of a President Santorum!)
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To: DownInFlames

“Majors in Women’s studies, African American studies .... Basically any liberal arts need not apply.”

Unless you are a minority and/or one of the perpetually aggrieved. . .in that case, just (mouth) breathing gets you the job.


35 posted on 08/07/2014 8:57:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Would work, but what to do when you can’t get hired for an entry-level DIA GS-grade position, so with your Masters in Global Security and International Studies you apply for one of those DIA unpaid internships and then are told (via auto-email) that you are not qualified.

Happened to my son.

He applied after that using a different name, Juwan Jackson, and with no degree, just some college, and received almost immediate email inviting him for interview.


36 posted on 08/07/2014 9:03:45 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Oberon

And over-looking much more qualified candidates because the HR bimbos don’t know or fail to grasp transferable skills.


37 posted on 08/07/2014 9:05:13 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

I know my CEO couldn’t do my job. His head would explode in two days.

Not that I could do his job either.


38 posted on 08/07/2014 9:17:43 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Many companies favor their employees to work extra hours than hire entry level personnel.


39 posted on 08/07/2014 9:18:11 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

Employers have drunk the Kool-Aid put out by the education establishment that employees will pop out of universities fully trained and ready, with no need to invest a penny in their training.


40 posted on 08/07/2014 9:18:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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