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Politics, activism, families: How Prop. 187 is still being felt 20 years later
Orange County Register ^ | Oct. 30, 2014 | ROXANA KOPETMAN

Posted on 10/31/2014 1:39:55 PM PDT by Pelham

There’s a ghost haunting next week’s elections in California.

It’s been there 20 years.

Proposition 187 – a measure Californians overwhelmingly voted into law on Nov. 8, 1994 – was never enacted. The law would have denied public services, including public education and non-emergency health care, to immigrants living in the state illegally. This summer, state legislators officially wiped it from the books, calling it the “most mean spirited and un-American” measure in the state’s history.

But the legacy of Prop. 187 lives on. And the people initially targeted – Latinos in general and undocumented immigrants in particular – are among the biggest beneficiaries.

“In the long run, it did us a lot of good,” said Amin David, a longtime Latino advocate and founder of Los Amigos of Orange County.

“It sparked an ignition, a fire, to do what we wanted to do but were not able to do,” he added. “And, boy, it took us many years, but what a turnaround.”

This year, Latinos are expected to surpass non-Hispanic whites as California’s single largest demographic. The number of Latino legislators in California has more than doubled since Prop. 187 passed.

And in Sacramento, those elected officials are pushing through a long list of new laws to aid the immigrant community, including those here illegally.

‘THEY KEEP COMING’

The initiative was called the “Save Our State” campaign. It came at a time when California was struggling to recover from a recession, as the economy shifted away from defense jobs and more toward the service sector.

The perception among many was that immigrants living in California without permission – “illegal” aliens as they were called then and are still labeled today by the U.S. government – were a drain on the economy and on society. The California Legislative Analyst Office estimated

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"Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, R-Costa Mesa, has a different take on the measure’s long-term impact.

“The lasting legacy of 187 is that the American people have again witnessed a fundamental issue in which elected officials totally betrayed a majority of voters. That has left a lasting sense of cynicism with a lot of people wondering how democratic our system is and whether the liberal left can just ignore the law when it’s not benefiting their agenda.”

Rohrabacher said he and Huntington Beach resident Barbara Coe, the leader of then Orange County-based California Coalition for Immigration Reform, were the inspiration behind 187. Coe, the measure’s co-author, died last year.

Rohrabacher did not support Wilson’s TV ad campaign. “It was polarizing and nasty,” he said.

But the measure itself, he said, was not racist. He would support it all over again."

1 posted on 10/31/2014 1:39:55 PM PDT by Pelham
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‘THEY KEEP COMING’

 

No Obama Sherlock. And the (formerly) wealthy taxpayers keep leaving

2 posted on 10/31/2014 1:43:03 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Pelham

I was in Cali when 187 was enacted. Orange County was a big mix of mostly legal immigrants (many Vietnamese) then. Who knows what it’s like now - I’m never going back.


3 posted on 10/31/2014 1:45:05 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Pelham

The ballot initiative needed is one that says anyone in the state legally is entilted to all the benefits as those in the state illegally.


4 posted on 10/31/2014 1:47:03 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I wish the article had said that Prop. 187 was overturned by a federal court. That is why it was never enacted. This article doesn’t explain why it was not enacted even though approved by the voters.


5 posted on 10/31/2014 1:47:40 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Tennessee Nana; wardaddy; Kenny Bunk

What’s missing from this article is how the GOP establishment sided with the illegal alien lobby against California voters.

Jack Kemp, Bill Bennett, GW Bush were among the GOPe crew who flew in to oppose Prop 187 and grassroots California.

Well that treason lobby ultimately won, with the collaboration of Federal Judge Mariana Pfaelzer, Gray Davis, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

This is how California went from being a state that voted for Ronald Reagan to a one party leftwing stronghold.

Keep that in mind when the GOPe helps Obama with amnesty after the election.


6 posted on 10/31/2014 1:48:06 PM PDT by Pelham ("This is how they do it in Mexico"- California State Motto)
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To: Pelham

Put it back on the ballot and re-enact it.


7 posted on 10/31/2014 1:48:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Professional journalism” always leaves out important facts these days


8 posted on 10/31/2014 1:50:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: struggle

If you remember what Santa Ana was like back then with its large enclave of illegal aliens, well that is what most of north Orange County is now like. Orange County is becoming like LA.


9 posted on 10/31/2014 1:52:05 PM PDT by Pelham ("This is how they do it in Mexico"- California State Motto)
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To: struggle
I’m never going back.

Neither am I.

10 posted on 10/31/2014 1:53:36 PM PDT by Mark17 (MAs & PAs: Mugwumps, high jumps, low slumps, big bumps-don't you work as hard as you play)
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I lived in Fountain Valley. My car was stolen once and ended up in Santa Ana, stripped. It was bearable in the 90’s, but by now it’s probably insanely overcrowded.


11 posted on 10/31/2014 1:56:40 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“I wish the article had said that Prop. 187 was overturned by a federal court. That is why it was never enacted”

Dilbert, there’s more to it than that.

Judge Mariana Pfaelzer put a hold on Prop 187 and sat on it for several years. She only released her decision as Pete Wilson was leaving office, not giving him time to appeal her decision.

Gray Davis took over as Governor and of course had no intention of appealing her decision. So the voters of California were denied the right to have Prop 187 reviewed by the court of appeals. In effect Pfaelzer and Davis collaborated to deny the voters of California.

When Gray Davis was recalled and Arnold Schwarzenegger replaced him as Governor, Arnold could have asked for Pfaelzer’s decision to be appealed. But he didn’t. Arnold didn’t because he was a stooge for the GOP establishment and they didn’t like Prop 187 any more than the Democratic Party left.

So that’s why Prop 187 is/was still on the books but not being enforced, depending upon the legality of this latino caucus striking it from the books.


12 posted on 10/31/2014 2:03:25 PM PDT by Pelham ("This is how they do it in Mexico"- California State Motto)
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To: Pelham

I lived that area for a year back in the late 70s. It had some problems. I went back in the late nos to the old neighborhood in the late 90s for a visit. It was like Kandahar. I wouldn’t want to see it today.


13 posted on 10/31/2014 2:06:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("Refusing to vote against unprincipled people made Obama President. " - agere_contra)
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To: GeronL
“Professional journalism” always leaves out important facts these days

The Register was professional.............once, now it's just another left leaning illegal immigrant enabler. I dropped the rag when it's reporters and stories got to be so leaning forward to defend the invaders it fell flat on its face!

14 posted on 10/31/2014 2:14:27 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

bump


15 posted on 10/31/2014 2:15:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Pelham

Drastic changes were made to my city, Los Angeles. Most of those changes involved just a handful of people, the police chief, the City Council, union leaders and judges. I live in the San Fernando Valley, a part of Los Angeles with about 3 million people. The fact that Americans moved out of the San Fernando Valley attests to the fact that we didn’t want to live in a third world city and didn’t agree with our elected officials or the courts. What can you do about the courts?

The states of Mississippi, Arkansas, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, Main, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, D.C., Vermont, and Wyoming all have less than 3 million people.

Los Angeles County has 9,818,605 people, making it the country’s largest county. That makes Los Angeles County more populace than 42 states, so what happens here should be a forewarning.

The importation of foreigners throughout America is Obama’s intent on destroying America’s sovereignty. I expect he will be seen as the “Johnny Appleseed” of a One World Order.

Below, I picked out 5 schools at random in the 4 corners of the SFV and one in the center.

Chatsworth Park Elementary School in the NW corner of the San Fernando Valley (SFV)
http://www.greatschools.org/california/chatsworth/1994-Chatsworth-Park-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
37% Hispanic
31% White
10% Black
20% Asian
44% Free Lunch

Sylmar Elementary School in the NE of the SFV
http://www.greatschools.org/california/sylmar/2413-Sylmar-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
94% Hispanic
1% White
2% Black
2% Asian
93% Free Lunch
Reseda Elementary School in the middle of the SFV
http://www.greatschools.org/california/reseda/2342-Reseda-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
85% Hispanic
1% White
2% Black
11% Asian
91% Free Lunch

Capistrano Avenue Elementary School in the SW corner of the SFV
http://www.greatschools.org/california/west-hills/1975-Capistrano-Avenue-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
60% Hispanic
19% White
4% Black
15% Asian
5% Free Lunch

Arminta Street Elementary School in the SE corner of the SFV
http://www.greatschools.org/california/north-hollywood/1910-Arminta-Street-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
92% Hispanic
4% White
1% Black
3% Asian
2% Free Lunch

Haddon Avenue Elementary School used to be a Black community in the SFV
http://www.greatschools.org/california/pacoima/2123-Haddon-Avenue-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
99% Hispanic
0% White
0% Black
0% Asian
100% Free Lunch

Marvin Elementary School in Los Angeles
http://www.greatschools.org/california/los-angeles/2229-Marvin-Elementary-School/?tab=demographics
86% Hispanic
1% White
12% Black
0% Asian
21% Free Lunch

In 1940 in L.A. there were 86.3% White and 7.1% Hispanic
In 1970 in L.A. there were 61.1% White and 17.1% Hispanic
In 2010 in L.A. there were 37.3% White and 39.9% Hispanic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Demographics
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/new-obama-rule-could-force-cities-to-house-illegals/

In 1977, The California Supreme Court ordered the Los Angeles School District to come up with a plan to desegregate their schools. The school district came up with forced bussing and parents moved out of the Los Angeles School District.

It was called “White Flight”. Homes became hard to sell, apartments were hard to rent and schools started closing. Illegal aliens replaced Americans in Los Angeles. Teachers and all government employees answering to the gods of the unions turned against Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

Special Order 40 is a police mandate implemented in 1979 by the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), its Police Chief Daryl Gates and the Los Angeles City Council preventing LAPD officers from questioning people for the sole purpose of determining their immigration status. The mandate was passed in an effort to encourage residents who are in the country illegally to report crimes without intimidation. The order states:

Officers shall not initiate police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person.
Officers shall not arrest nor book persons for violation of title 8, section 1325 of the United States Immigration code (Illegal Entry).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Order_40

Los Angeles became a sanctuary city.

In 1992 Cardinal Roger Mahony said 771 lives in Los Angeles County were lost last year due to gang violence and brought terror to families.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-18/local/me-635_1_auxiliary-bishop

Back in 1994, Californians had had enough and voted for proposition 187, it passed 58.93% to 41.07%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_%281994%29

Proposition 187 included the following key elements:

All law enforcement agents who suspect that a person who has been arrested is in violation of immigration laws must investigate the detainee’s immigration status, and if they find evidence of illegality they must report it to the attorney general of California, and to the federal Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). They must also notify the detainee of his or her apparent status as an alien.

Local governments are prohibited from preventing or limiting the fulfillment of this requirement.

If government agents suspect anyone applying for benefits of being illegal immigrants, the agents must report their suspicions in writing to the appropriate enforcement authorities.

A person shall not receive any public social services until he or she has been verified as a United States citizen or as a lawfully admitted alien.

A person shall not receive any health care services from a publicly funded health care facility until he or she meets the requirements above.

A public elementary or secondary school shall not admit or permit the attendance of any child until he or she meets the requirements above.

By 1996, each school district shall verify the legal status of each child enrolled within the district and the legal status of each parent or guardian of each child.

A child who is in violation of the requirements above shall not continue to attend the school 90 days from the date of notice to the attorney general and INS.

The attorney general must keep records on all such cases and make them available to any other government entity that wishes to inspect them.

The manufacture, distribution, sale, or use of false citizenship or residency documents is a state felony punishable by imprisonment or fine.

Judge Mariana Pfaelzer overturned the majority of the law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Pfaelzer

In a landmark decision, U.S. District Court Judge Denise Cote has found that Westchester County falsely claimed that it was meeting its obligation to affirmatively further fair housing (“AFFH”). The ruling – rejecting the County’s motion for summary judgment – instead granted partial summary judgment to the Anti-Discrimination Center (“ADC”).

http://www.antibiaslaw.com/westchester-false-claims-case/federal-judge-westchester-made-false-claims-us-over-6year-period

Judge Denise Cote rules that the federal government’s zoning laws supersede local zoning laws forcing housing for the poor in all neighborhoods. This judgment means that you can no longer expect to move up to a better neighborhood with better and safer schools. Expect high density apartments to move into your neighborhood along a transportation corridor.

Isn’t that what Obama’s decision to import illegal alien children is all about, to implant the seed to an open society, free of borders, place these kids throughout the United States to places that refused to be sanctuary cities?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/08/Arizona-to-Ban-Residents-from-Voting-in-Statewide-Elections-if-Lacking-Proof-of-Citizenship
On October 8, 2013 Breitbart had this column. Arizona required proof of citizenship, but the United States Supreme Court stuck it down saying that the federal guidelines only required a “stated” citizenship requirement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/02/us-usa-arkansas-voters-idUSBREA410YD20140502
Voter ID is illegal

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/04/wisconsin_voter_id_law_struck.html

In 2011 Newt Gingrich at Values Voter Summit – How to Fight Back Against Out-of-Control Judges speech Newt said at the 4:54 mark: “One of the major reasons that I am running for President of the United States is the 9th Circuit Court decision in 2002 that ‘One Nation Under God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional”

At the 6:48 mark, Newt says: “…because if judges think they are unchallengeable they are inedible corrupt. Corrupted in a moral sense. I don’t mean taking money, but I mean in a sense of arrogance, in the sense of imposing on the rest of us. Whether it is one judge in California deciding he knows more than 8 million Californians about the definition of marriage, whether it is a judge San Antonio who rules that not only can school children can not say a prayer at their graduation, they can not use the word benediction, they can not use the word invocation, they can not use the word God, they can not ask the audience to stand, and if they do any of these things, he will lock up their superintendent.

Now the idea of an American judge becoming a dictator of words is so alien to our tradition, and such a violation of our Constitution as I will explain in a moment, that that judge should be removed from office summarily. “

At the 10:53 mark, Newt says: “Jefferson is the most clear example of taking on the judiciary, in the Judicial Reform Act of 1802, the Jeffersonians eliminated 18 out of 35 federal judges. Didn’t impeach them, just abolish their office and told them to go home.

Now I’m not, let me be clear, I am not as bold as Jefferson. I think the judge in San Antonio would be an important initial signal and I think the 9th Circuit Court should be served notice that it runs the risk of ceasing to exist.”

http://www.radioiowa.com/2014/03/05/judge-rules-against-iowa-elections-chief-in-battle-over-voter-rolls/
Radio Iowa ^ | March 5, 2014 | O. Kay Henderson

A district court judge has struck down a rule Iowa’s Republican secretary of state had drafted in hopes of removing ineligible voters — non-citizens — from the state’s voter registration rolls. Matt Schultz, as secretary of state, is also the state’s commissioner of elections. The judge ruled Schultz did not have the authority to do what he wanted to do. The judge cited Iowa law which lists six circumstances in which the secretary of state may remove names from the list of eligible Iowa voters and none of those six deal with citizenship. The American Civil Liberties Union of Iowa...

Pennsylvania voter ID law struck down
The Hill ^ | January 16, 2014

Pennsylvania’s voter ID law, among the nation’s most stringent, was struck down Friday morning by a state judge. Commonwealth Court Judge Bernard L. McGinley ruled that the law, requiring almost all voters to present photo identification prior to voting, was an unreasonable burden on voters.

La Raza Lunacy: New Mexico Court Rules Non-English Speakers Can Serve on Juries
Stand With Arizona ^ | 08-16-2013 | John Hill

Who cares if jurors have no idea what’s going on? The wave of politically-correct “progress” must roll on. And discrimination against people who don’t speak English simply won’t be tolerated. CBS Las Vegas reports: The New Mexico Supreme Court is cautioning trial courts and lawyers that citizens who don’t speak English have the right to serve on juries.

Pa. voter ID law on hold for November election
Philly.com ^ | 8/16/2013 | Amy Worden

HARRISBURG - Pennsylvania voters will not be required to produce identification to cast ballots in November. A Commonwealth Court judge has barred enforcement of the state’s 2012 voter ID law until he makes a final determination in the case challenging the legislation.

Appeals court says arrest of illegal immigrant violated her constitutional rights
http://articles.washingtonpost.com ^ | August 7, 2013 | Pamela Constable

A federal appeals court, in a strong rebuff to local law enforcement agencies that aggressively pursue people they suspect of being illegal immigrants, ruled Wednesday that the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office did not have the right to arrest Roxana Santos, a Salvadoran dishwasher who was seized while eating a sandwich outside her workplace in the fall of 2008 and jailed for the next 45 days.

The ruling, from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond, appeared to clarify and strengthen a somewhat ambiguous Supreme Court decision last year in Arizona v. United States, in which the high court expressed reservations but did not explicitly state how far local police may go when they seek to identify, arrest and aid in deporting individuals who might be in the country illegally but are not involved in criminal activity.

The Legal Circus That Killed Proposition 8
Public Discourse (The Witherspoon Institute) ^ | July 22, 2013 | Frank Schubert

Proposition 8, the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was passed in in 2008 with 7 million voters.

A challenge to Prop 8 landed in the San Francisco federal courtroom of Judge Vaughn Walker, an admitted queer. Then Attorney General Jerry Brown and governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and current Attorney General Kamala Harris refused to back the proposition.

Judge Vaughn Walker issued rulings favoring the challengers to Prop 8 and twice had his rulings overturned.

Then the case headed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Stephen Reinhardt refused to recuse himself even though his wife, and attorney for the ACLU, had advised the plaintiffs’ lawyers on strategy before the case was even filed. Judge Reinhardt wrote the majority opinion finding Prop 8 unconstitutional.

Judge Reinhardt asked the California Supreme Court for advice on whether or not the state courts allowed the initiative proponents to represent the interests of the state when our elected officials refused. The court ruled that the proponents did have a standing.

Then finally, the case went to the Supreme Court where they refused to decide Prop 8’s constitutionality.

Arpaio’s office guilty of profiling, judge rules
Arizona Daily Star ^ | Howard Fischer | Capital Media Services

PHOENIX - Self-professed “toughest sheriff in America” Joe Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office were guilty of racial profiling, a federal judge found Friday, before ordering a permanent halt to the practice. In a 140-page ruling, Judge Murray Snow said Arpaio’s department, under his direction, was detaining individuals believed to be in this country illegally without some other reason to arrest them for violating any state laws. Snow said that continued to occur even after the Department of Homeland Security revoked the department’s authority to identify and detain those not in the country legally.

Appeals Court Rules Arizona Day Laborer Ban Unconstitutional (9th Circus Kangaroo Court)
Stand With Arizona ^ | 03-04-2013 | John Hill

The 9th Circus Kangaroo Court of Appeals in San Fransicko has once again ruled in favor of illegal aliens and against American workers. This time the Court upheld an injunction blocking an Arizona law - part of S.B. 1070 - which bars drivers soliciting illegal alien day laborers. The Court ruled the ban “violates the constitution’s free speech guarantee”.

State judge rules Louisiana school voucher program unconstitutional
FOX NEWS ^ | 11-30-12 | ap

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal’s private school tuition voucher program has been ruled unconstitutional by a state judge. State Judge Tim Kelley said Friday that the program improperly diverts money allocated through the state’s public school funding formula to private schools. He also said it unconstitutionally diverts local tax dollars to private schools. Kelley ruled in a lawsuit backed by teacher unions and school boards seeking to shut down the voucher program. The state education department and the Board of Elementary and Secondary Education said the programs were funded and created in line with the constitution.

Judge extends voting hours in heavily Democrat FL county
Fox News Live | 11/4/12

Democrat judge in Orange County, FL, has extended early voting by four hours in county that is 59% registered Democrat. Dems demand, Dems get.

Court exempts union bosses from laws against identity theft
Washington Examiner ^ | 10/27/2012 | Mark Mix

One November day in 2007, 33 AT&T workers in central North Carolina found out that their Social Security numbers and other private information had been posted for the world to see — exposing them to identity theft and credit fraud.

Judge blocks part of Texas effort to purge dead from voter roll
Reuters ^ | 9/20/2012 | Corrie MacLaggan

A Texas judge on Thursday temporarily blocked part of a state effort to remove dead people from the voter rolls after the purge led to thousands of people receiving letters asking them to prove they are alive. The ruling by State District Judge Tim Sulak in Austin came after four Texas voters filed suit on Wednesday on the grounds that the voter roll purge violated state and federal election law and could interfere with people who were very much alive being able to vote in November. Election officials sent about 80,000 notices to voters who were dead or “potentially deceased.”..


16 posted on 10/31/2014 2:26:46 PM PDT by Haddit
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“The lasting legacy of 187 is that the American people have again witnessed a fundamental issue in which elected officials totally betrayed a majority of voters. That has left a lasting sense of cynicism with a lot of people wondering how democratic our system is and whether the liberal left can just ignore the law when it’s not benefiting their agenda.”
17 posted on 10/31/2014 3:10:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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A politician has no more power than his union overlords will bequeath him. The final say is that of a judge. Voter ID, Queer marriage, the EPA being able to declare CO2 a greenhouse gas, zoning regulations to insure you can’t escape poverty and crime, and much more is all decided by a judge. http://www.judgevoterguide.com/ LOS ANGELES (to top) Judicial Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 1  Frances Rothschild– 5(JI: 1, Q: 9) NO  Jeffrey W. Johnson– 8(JI: 6, Q: 10) YES Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 2  Brian M. Hoffstadt– 4(JI: 1, Q: 7) NO Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 3  Lee Anne Edmon– 4(JI: 1, Q: 7) NO Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 4  Nora M. Manella– 7(JI: 4, Q: 9) YES  Audrey B. Collins– 5(JI: 3, Q: 7) NO Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 5  Paul A. Turner– 8(JI: 7, Q: 8) YES Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 6  Kenneth R. Yegan– 8 (JI: 7, Q: 9) YES Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 7  Dennis M. Perluss– 5 (JI: 2, Q: 8) NO Justice, California State Court of Appeal; District 2, Division 8  Madeleine I. Flier– 3(JI: 1, Q: 6) NO  Laurence D. Rubin– 5(JI: 0, Q: 10) NO Judge of the Superior Court; County of Los Angeles; Office 61  Dayan Mathai– 9(JI: 9, Q: 8) YES  Jacqueline H. Lewis– 5(JI: 3, Q: 6) NO Judge of the Superior Court; County of Los Angeles; Office 87  Andrew M. Stein– 5(JI: 4, Q: 7) YES  Tom Griego– 3(JI: 3, Q: 3) NO
18 posted on 10/31/2014 3:38:02 PM PDT by Haddit
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To: Haddit

Well, that didn’t post very well. I have to go trick or treating now. http://www.judgevoterguide.com/


19 posted on 10/31/2014 3:40:33 PM PDT by Haddit
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To: Haddit

Excellent post.

I remember people moving from SFV to Orange County in the late 70s when the forced bussing started. If only we had had the foresight to pass Prop 187 back then.


20 posted on 10/31/2014 8:51:01 PM PDT by Pelham ("This is how they do it in Mexico"- California State Motto)
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