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1 posted on 12/17/2014 8:16:57 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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The race 10 titanium alloy bathtub cockpit underside is hard to match or beat. Its fun to watch A 10 pilots practicing over semis and motorhomes on I 10 outside of Davis Month an AFB in Tucson. The drivers are totally unaware.


2 posted on 12/17/2014 8:22:20 PM PST by Sasparilla
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ah! the A-10 Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) : one of the safest, most-reliable combat aircraft ever built.

But dang it! the girl wasn’t hit with the ugly stick, she was the ugly stick’s momma!


4 posted on 12/17/2014 8:28:04 PM PST by txnativegop (Tired of liberals, even a few in my own family.)
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The WartHog is like a helicopter, but more aerodynamic and way less counter intuitive.


6 posted on 12/17/2014 8:30:21 PM PST by Paladin2
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Saddam’s fearless republican guard was scared sh!tless of the A-10.


8 posted on 12/17/2014 8:33:07 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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The US could use a poppy crop duster in Afghanistan for 20 years or so.

Firing plenty-o-bullets through a prop is a definite problem.

9 posted on 12/17/2014 8:36:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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Transfer the A10 to the Army.


14 posted on 12/17/2014 8:39:27 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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The A-10 is the red-headed stepchild of the Air Force.


18 posted on 12/17/2014 8:45:12 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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P51 is a gorgeous plane but, it’s not going to do what an A10 does and protect the pilots.


24 posted on 12/17/2014 9:14:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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That PA-48 is one damn neat plane, though, if in a totally different class.


28 posted on 12/17/2014 9:26:20 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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HA, What a coincidence.
I’m watching an old 12:00 High episode, and it is about the first P-51s to show up in the European Theater:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734468/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2


33 posted on 12/17/2014 9:34:05 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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The Warthog is a BEAST!!! Kicked the shit out of the Republican Guard in the Gulf War !!!


37 posted on 12/17/2014 9:48:15 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oDz9e2FWlE

Skip to the 3:50 mark for a good visual scale.


42 posted on 12/17/2014 9:53:40 PM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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The A-10 was developed as a result of lessons learned from the close air support (CAS) role in Vietnam. Most of the CAS aircraft in Nam were taken out by small arms fire from the ground that either killed the pilot or disabled critical aircraft systems. The A-10 was designed to cure that problem with Titanium protective armor.
The CAS aircraft needed a powerful close-in weapon to disable the enemies weapons systems such as heavy armor. The GE 30 mm Vulcan cannon did the trick along with the Maverick AGM.
The A-10 was designed and built as a simple and reliable aircraft to conduct the CAS well. Nothing else comes close.
44 posted on 12/17/2014 10:14:35 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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First things first: compare piston driven aircraft with peers and jets with peers and not piston engine types with jets.

As a fighter, the P-51 Mustang was a classic; as a ground support weapon, not so much. The under fuselage oil cooler was its most vulnerable point — one hit there and the engine would seize solid in 10 minutes when it ran out of oil. The radial engined P-47 Thunderbolt was the toughest fighter-bomber when it came to ground support. Well armed and armored, the P-47s air-cooled radial engine kept running when it took battle damage and brought its pilot home. A Mustang pilot would have had to walk home through occupied territory. The Thunderbolt's eight .50 calibers, two 500 lb. bombs and ten 5-inch rockets could really ruin an enemy's day.

Today's A-10 is the USAF equivalent to the WW2 P-47. The official name for the A-10 is Thunderbolt II. The F-16 Fighting Falcon is equivalent to the P-51 Mustang — and just as vulnerable doing the job of close air support (CAS). If the USAF is successful at retiring the A-10, the US Army or other ground forces will loose their best and most effective CAS weapon. And, NO, the F-15E or F-35A or F-16C...none can assume the role of the A-10 and survive.

45 posted on 12/17/2014 10:28:40 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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Not to mention it takes a lickin' - keeps on tickin' ...


48 posted on 12/17/2014 10:44:49 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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The P-51 Mustang was widely acknowledged as somewhat of a disappointment in CAS in Korea. The P-47 Thunderbolt would have been a much better choice. But, they were available in larger numbers (I suppose.)

The Mustang was highly vulnerable to ground fire because of its radiator location. The P-47 had an air-cooled radial, was much more heavily armored, and carried a larger load of ordnance. The best work in Korean CAS was done by Marine F-4U Corsairs, AD Skyraiders, and a really great unsung British carrier-based plane, the Hawker Sea Fury FB11 in fighter-bomber trim.

The Turbo-Prop P-48 was a marvelous concept in many ways, but no match for the capability of the A-10 and was a bit of a commercial failure. The concept lives on in the Embraer Super-Tucano and sells successfully for use in counter-insurgency conflicts, especially when the enemy has no air power to oppose it. My personal fave for this role: The Rockwell OV-10. Never understood why it wasn't more popular. Too practical for military procurement, I guess.

49 posted on 12/17/2014 10:50:22 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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I’ve always felt the A-10 was ugly the way a junk yard dog is ugly. It’s not going to win any pageants, but boy howdy, when it bares its fangs, you’d BETTER show it some respect!


50 posted on 12/17/2014 10:53:34 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is always intense.)
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If they were to use aircraft from WWII to replace the A10 there are only two that come to mind. That would be the P38 or the B25 gunship. Both were/are great close air support crafts. Just think about placing two 30mm in the nose of the B25 now that would be a show!


51 posted on 12/17/2014 10:54:26 PM PST by darkwolf666
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Darn it! Now where did the plane go I built for my auto cannon?

53 posted on 12/18/2014 12:39:33 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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P-51 with it’s water cooled engine was always a poor choice for ground attack. A-1 was excellent until heat seeking MANPADS got good enough that they could engage it from head on. I’d be inclined to think that a radial mounted in a pusher configuration would be hard to beat in terms of loiter time and ability to go low and slow.


55 posted on 12/18/2014 3:16:05 AM PST by fso301
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