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To: dennisw
> I will not bother you anymore about this.

Spoken like a gentleman (as Monty Python would say). Thanks. :)

> Your logic is very sensible. The higher ups at Microsoft could have had a start button update that was like Start8 to correct all this. But they refused. Pretty self destructive and company destructive.

Yep. That would have avoided some of the mess, though as I said above, the "Start Button" is only the tip of the iceberg. There's the entire "Start Menu", and all the navigational tools that are part of it. I would have made a Win7-like desktop the default, and let the Metro stuff be an option. The folks who wanted gaudy Play-Skool tiles could have them, and the rest of us could get work done.

I should emphasize that the Metro tiles DO work really well on a small handheld mobile device. On a multi-touch touchscreen I rather like it, in fact. Problem is, desktops don't have touchscreens.

My personal diagnosis of the debacle is that Ballmer's echo-chamber marketing crowd got themselves convinced that a) gaudy Play-Skool tiles were the wave of the future for the desktop as well as the handhelds, and b) Microsoft could force anything down their desktop users' throats with impunity. Both assumptions were incorrect.

> The Cupertino crowd (gay Apple bon vivants) prolly had lots of good laughs over these MS blockheads refusing to do a simple start button correction on Win 8 for the “legacy” crowd.

Yep. And not just laughs -- the Apple crew watched in glee as Mac computers and devices experienced a considerable increase in popularity as people shunned Windows 8 machines.

Well, onward and upward into the new world of Windows 10...!

68 posted on 05/07/2015 7:11:31 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored
My personal diagnosis of the debacle is that Ballmer's echo-chamber marketing crowd got themselves convinced that a) gaudy Play-Skool tiles were the wave of the future for the desktop as well as the handhelds, and b) Microsoft could force anything down their desktop users' throats with impunity. Both assumptions were incorrect.

I am repeating myself  but there actually was a logic in forcing the tiles down the throats of the desktop and laptop users. The MS honchos wanted the same Play Skool look everywhere and I mean everywhere including MicroSoft websites. All of their websites were given that Play Skool look

This all has to brainwashing consumers into easily identifying a Microsoft product when they see one. Creating an immediately identifiable eco-system same as Apple has. Microsoft was copying Apple here. I have no idea what the MS logo looks like but I know the Apple logo..... Steve Jobs genius was pulling younger, urban, suburban consumers into the Apple eco-system starting with iPods when they are 10 years old. I remember about 10 years ago when ipods where at a premium around Christmas time and every spoiled brat in America demanded one for Christmas

69 posted on 05/07/2015 7:28:53 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dayglored

For some real fun check out how the older record companies are buying into the music streaming companies and re-establishing some supremacy.

Seems people are too dead-arse lazy to download and organize into a Sansa or an Ipod. They prefer to deal with their music “needs” via streaming into their smartFone. I get why this is all done but.......


70 posted on 05/07/2015 7:33:43 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dayglored
Yep. That would have avoided some of the mess, though as I said above, the "Start Button" is only the tip of the iceberg. There's the entire "Start Menu", and all the navigational tools that are part of it. I would have made a Win7-like desktop the default, and let the Metro stuff be an option. The folks who wanted gaudy Play-Skool tiles could have them, and the rest of us could get work done.

"while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant" -The Architect

The UI is the last, and most cosmetic layer in the OS stack, and consequently the one that's the most easily replaced. Some manifestations of the OS don't even bother with it at all.

72 posted on 05/07/2015 7:59:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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