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New methane scare off Washington coast begs the question: did anybody look for these before?
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | October 14, 2015 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 10/14/2015 12:10:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have to wonder, before the scientific world went nuts looking for GHG boogymen under every rock and tree, had anyone observed methane venting in this area before? While they enlisted the help of fishermen now, would anyone bothered to have documented these bubble plumes 50-100 years ago? I think not. They claim “… it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.” yet offer no methodology for how they determined that. I seems to be little more than the opinion of the researcher.

Then there’s the question, is this simply a natural variation that is part of the PDO shift, and the “blob” off the Pacific NW coast is responsible? These are pertinent questions that seem to have been overlooked, and I find this study suspect anyway, because by their own admission, the press release precedes the actual publication of the paper. The October 2015 edition of Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems is not out yet. Science is not supposed to be done to grab headlines ahead of publication. It seems more like COP21 “me too” frenzy than science.

From the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane

Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington

Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington

Warming ocean temperatures a third of a mile below the surface, in a dark ocean in areas with little marine life, might attract scant attention. But this is precisely the depth where frozen pockets of methane ‘ice’ transition from a dormant solid to a powerful greenhouse gas.

New University of Washington research suggests that subsurface warming could be causing more methane gas to bubble up off the Washington and Oregon coast.

The study, to appear in the journal Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems, shows that of 168 bubble plumes observed within the past decade, a disproportionate number were seen at a critical depth for the stability of methane hydrates.

“We see an unusually high number of bubble plumes at the depth where methane hydrate would decompose if seawater has warmed,” said lead author H. Paul Johnson, a UW professor of oceanography. “So it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.”

Methane has contributed to sudden swings in Earth’s climate in the past. It is unknown what role it might contribute to contemporary climate change, although recent studies have reported warming-related methane emissions in Arctic permafrost and off the Atlantic coast.

Of the 168 methane plumes in the new study, some 14 were located at the transition depth – more plumes per unit area than on surrounding parts of the Washington and Oregon seafloor.

If methane bubbles rise all the way to the surface, they enter the atmosphere and act as a powerful greenhouse gas. But most of the deep-sea methane seems to get consumed during the journey up. Marine microbes convert the methane into carbon dioxide, producing lower-oxygen, more-acidic conditions in the deeper offshore water, which eventually wells up along the coast and surges into coastal waterways.

“Current environmental changes in Washington and Oregon are already impacting local biology and fisheries, and these changes would be amplified by the further release of methane,” Johnson said.

Another potential consequence, he said, is the destabilization of seafloor slopes where frozen methane acts as the glue that holds the steep sediment slopes in place.

Methane deposits are abundant on the continental margin of the Pacific Northwest coast. A 2014 study from the UW documented that the ocean in the region is warming at a depth of 500 meters (0.3 miles), by water that formed decades ago in a global warming hotspot off Siberia and then traveled with ocean currents east across the Pacific Ocean. That previous paper calculated that warming at this depth would theoretically destabilize methane deposits on the Cascadia subduction zone, which runs from northern California to Vancouver Island.

At the cold temperatures and high pressures present on the continental margin, methane gas in seafloor sediments forms a crystal lattice structure with water. The resulting icelike solid, called methane hydrate, is unstable and sensitive to changes in temperature. When the ocean warms, the hydrate crystals dissociate and methane gas leaks into the sediment. Some of that gas escapes from the sediment pores as a gas.

The 2014 study calculated that with present ocean warming, such hydrate decomposition could release roughly 0.1 million metric tons of methane per year into the sediments off the Washington coast, about the same amount of methane from the 2010 Deepwater Horizon blowout.

The new study looks for evidence of bubble plumes off the coast, including observations by UW research cruises, earlier scientific studies and local fishermen’s reports. The authors included bubble plumes that rose at least 150 meters (490 feet) tall that clearly originate from the seafloor. The dataset included 45 plumes originally detected by fishing boats, whose modern sonars can detect the bubbles while looking for schools of fish, with their observations later confirmed during UW research cruises.

Results show that methane gas is slowly released at almost all depths along the Washington and Oregon coastal margin. But the plumes are significantly more common at the critical depth of 500 meters, where hydrate would decompose due to seawater warming.

“What we’re seeing is possible confirmation of what we predicted from the water temperatures: Methane hydrate appears to be decomposing and releasing a lot of gas,” Johnson said. “If you look systematically, the location on the margin where you’re getting the largest number of methane plumes per square meter, it is right at that critical depth of 500 meters.”

Still unknown, however, is whether these plumes are really from the dissociation of frozen methane deposits. [bold mine, Anthony]

“The results are consistent with the hypothesis that modern bottom-water warming is causing the limit of methane hydrate stability to move downslope, but it’s not proof that the hydrate is dissociating,” said co-author Evan Solomon, a UW associate professor of oceanography.

Solomon is now analyzing the chemical composition of samples from bubble plumes emitted by sediments along the Washington coast at about 500 meters deep. Results will confirm whether the gas originates from methane hydrates rather than from some other source, such as the passive migration of methane from deeper reservoirs to the seafloor, which causes most of the other bubble plumes on the continental margin.

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Note: Shortly after publication, some text formatting errors were corrected, and bolding of a statement added.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; energy; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; methane; opec; petroleum
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1 posted on 10/14/2015 12:10:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A fine example of why oil/gas are not “fossil fuels.”

They are continuously produced by the earth, under extreme pressure and temperature, and find their way to the surface.


2 posted on 10/14/2015 12:15:17 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Frozen methane” emerging from the sea floor where boiling lava is also found?


3 posted on 10/14/2015 12:16:33 PM PDT by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Mix a 9.5 with a pile of methane hydrates and..

Waalaaaa.. 1906 all over again .. Or worse.

It’s amazing Mother Nature has already blow’d herself to kingdom comey . or has it?

I hope we’re not on a cruise to Alaska that day.


4 posted on 10/14/2015 12:16:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: PGR88

If the earth wasn’t spewing carbon then eventually we would run out as dead plants and animals burried would lock up so much carbon that plants would starve.


5 posted on 10/14/2015 12:17:10 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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hasn’t = has


6 posted on 10/14/2015 12:17:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Earthfart. They were drilling near shore...Oregon...a few years back.


7 posted on 10/14/2015 12:18:04 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I had a circa 1850 book which explained the whole thing. Old maps show hot spots in the pacific. Nothing new.


8 posted on 10/14/2015 12:18:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NormsRevenge; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Smokin' Joe; thackney; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; SierraWasp; ...
Related thread:

'Widespread methane leakage' from ocean floor off US coast

9 posted on 10/14/2015 12:18:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whale farts cause globull warming.


10 posted on 10/14/2015 12:18:53 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Clearly the only solution is socialist, global government with unlimited powers and abolition of private property.


11 posted on 10/14/2015 12:18:53 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: PGR88

But when you tell the lefties that, they look at you like you are from pluto.


12 posted on 10/14/2015 12:19:34 PM PDT by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh boy. Double whammy.. And then the new Madrid rips loose..

Oh boy.


13 posted on 10/14/2015 12:20:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The Coastal Commission is onboard with that.


14 posted on 10/14/2015 12:21:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“...by water that formed decades ago in a global warming hotspot...”

Huh? Decades ago everyone was worried about global cooling and the next Ice Age!?


15 posted on 10/14/2015 12:21:25 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, maybe not at this particular spot, but they have documented ocean methane vents in the past, especially in the Bermuda Triangle area. One theory is that these gas vents are what suddenly sink ships without a trace.


16 posted on 10/14/2015 12:23:19 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag necessary?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

erf pharts


17 posted on 10/14/2015 12:23:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act)
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To: NormsRevenge

Umm - it might be FAR worse than 1906:

From the interwebs:

“The release of massive clouds of methane from icy hydrates buried under shallow ocean floors is the leading suspect for the most devastating extinction in the fossil record, according to a new analysis.

Methane best matches the unusual carbon-isotope fingerprints found at the scene of the crime, says Robert Berner of Yale University in Connecticut, US, though it cannot explain atmospheric carbon dioxide levels at the time.

Berner says: “It’s possible that you could have a combination” of effects causing the mass extinction that ended the Permian period, 250 million years ago. The event wiped out the vast majority of marine species and left Europe a near-desert.”


18 posted on 10/14/2015 12:25:59 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Something about this thread doesn’t pass the sniff test.


19 posted on 10/14/2015 12:29:37 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 21twelve

Nothing like a hugh pocket of methane to rearrange the dining room, living room bedroom and neighborhood way back then.. The Earth is still ‘maturing’ so to speak.. One can only imagine some of the burps that happened.. This stuff is raw energy.. We should harvest it.


20 posted on 10/14/2015 12:30:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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