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China to Retire Its Armored Tank Destroyers
The Diplomat ^ | November 19, 2015 | Franz-Stefan Gady

Posted on 11/19/2015 1:34:51 PM PST by C19fan

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will retire its armada of Type 89 (aka PTZ89) tank destroyers, Asia One reports based on information published in the PLA Daily, the official newspaper of the PLA.

The PLA Daily published a picture of 18 self-propelled guns that look like Type 89 tank destroyers departing a military base of the PLA Shenyang Military Command’s 39th Group Army.

(Excerpt) Read more at thediplomat.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: armored; china; ptz89; tank; tankdestroyers; type89
Would this represent the end of the tracked tank destroyer? I knew there are wheeled tank destroyers, for example, the Italian Centauro.
1 posted on 11/19/2015 1:34:51 PM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The whitewalls are a nice touch.

2 posted on 11/19/2015 1:39:36 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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Portawalls?


3 posted on 11/19/2015 1:46:32 PM PST by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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every time it fired it flipped over backwards ?


4 posted on 11/19/2015 2:21:56 PM PST by butlerweave
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5 posted on 11/19/2015 2:44:56 PM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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LAUGHTER ENSUES!


6 posted on 11/19/2015 2:45:52 PM PST by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: Nervous Tick

LAUGHTER ENSUES!


7 posted on 11/19/2015 2:45:52 PM PST by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: C19fan

When I was in the Balkans at the end of Yugoslavia civil war, I saw M35 and M36 tank destroyers, some destroyed, some still operating. I believe that they also had some M18’s in action, but I never saw one of those.

Tank destroyers can be very effective in an ambush mode, but are of limited use in on mobile mechanized battlefield. Their role has be supplanted by Anti tank guided missles, usually mounted on an infantry carrier.

They cannot stand up against artillery.


8 posted on 11/19/2015 3:00:24 PM PST by centurion316 (,)
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I never understood the line between tanks and tank destroyers. Most tank destroyers are lightly armored tanks with heavy guns. And then there are self-propelled anti-tank guns, like the WW2 Hetzer. Who decides the differentiation?
9 posted on 11/19/2015 3:08:40 PM PST by ozzymandus
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it can be a crap shoot on designation. TDs can also be wheeled as in the Italian 8x8 CENTAURO, a mean looking bastard with a 105mm. the PLA had a 6x6 TD too. Most likely it’s designated by its perceived deployment especially gun vehicles. Then there is the whole ww2 assault gun (STG-III, HETZER, SU-85) which were more AT and assault gun (STuH-42, SU-122, SU-152) which were more direct fire artillery and US (M-10, M-18, M-36) which were designated TDs. add to yhe mix the Wehrmacht “JAGD” (JAGDPANTHER, JAGDTIGER) vehicles which were TDs. anything with an ATGM is an AFV killer.
if you really want to be confused look at naval designations for destroyers, destroyer escorts, frigates, and corvettes.


10 posted on 11/19/2015 3:50:53 PM PST by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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These vehicles could be used as assault guns in infantry direct support roles.


11 posted on 11/19/2015 4:26:06 PM PST by Rockpile
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“These vehicles could be used as assault guns in infantry direct support roles.”

The Germans used their Sturmgeschutzes to good effect on all fronts during WWII.


12 posted on 11/19/2015 6:41:09 PM PST by Towed_Jumper (There were no muslims on the Mayflower)
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as did the Russians with the SU-85 and SU-100 series based on the T-34 chassis.


13 posted on 11/19/2015 8:20:23 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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The Germans used their Sturmgeschutzes to good effect on all fronts during WWII.

...and even before *that*, if the tales be true.


14 posted on 11/19/2015 10:49:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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OOF!
15 posted on 11/20/2015 7:07:18 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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