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Earth's temperature depends on where you put thermometer
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 20, 2016 12:39 PM EST | Seth Borenstein

Posted on 01/20/2016 10:02:08 AM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai
Temperature readings taken close to Earth's surface -- about 6 feet off the ground -- show a slightly warmer planet

Especially when it's also 6 feet from a paved highway, or 5 feet from a vent discharge.

Talk to the geniuses who sited the sensors...

21 posted on 01/20/2016 10:22:50 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: grobdriver

Well, if they are shameless enough to measure carbon dioxide on the summit of an active volcano, any other stunt to show “warming” is certainly not off-limits.


22 posted on 01/20/2016 10:25:14 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

AGW theory predicts the troposphere warming more than the surface. If the opposite is happening then conventional AGW is falsified by the scientific method. Of course nothing can falsify AGW so there is that.


23 posted on 01/20/2016 10:26:32 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: grobdriver

Or over Algores house...


24 posted on 01/20/2016 10:29:34 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first ande then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Olog-hai
It's a matter of better accuracy and relevance, scientists say.

Scientists lie, for reasons that have everything that has to do with the grant money that is sent their way by governments who want reports that support their political agenda.

Ground measurements have been problematic for hundreds of years for reasons that are well laid out in a paper, Watts et. al. 2012 that can be found on the Watts Up With That? website. Scientists routinely adjust the ground measurement and in the past fifty years they have been invariably adjusted upward. Ever wondered why we don't know what the temperature of the North Pole is from day to day. We have no ground measuring statement because the North Pole is covered with moving ice. We have very few ground measurements from the North Pole region north of 90 degrees N latitude. Etc, etc. Don't believe what scientists and the AP tell you. The satellite measurements are much more accurate, but they have a much shorter record compared with the ground record. That record doesn't support the political narrative either which is why it is discredited by nonsense pieces like this one. Most people figured this out long ago, but the politicians cling to it because money is involved, lots of money.

25 posted on 01/20/2016 10:30:57 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Olog-hai

At least they are toning down the rhetoric. They are calling the climate change non-believers doubters instead of deniers.


26 posted on 01/20/2016 10:33:36 AM PST by webheart (We are all pretty much living in a fiction.)
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"We care about what's happening where we live. That's why ground-based temperatures are most relevant to humans," said Texas Tech climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe.

That is a pretty stupid thing for a SCIENTIST to say. "I only care about the less than 10% of the Earth's surface inhabited by humans."

Meanwhile their ground sensors are primarily located in urban heat islands where the temperatures are artificially elevated by pavement and buildings and natural air currents are disturbed by buildings.

Any scientist should be grateful to get as many data points as possible from as wide a variety sources as possible.

27 posted on 01/20/2016 10:45:25 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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So much for “average global temperature” in that case, which they love to tout.


28 posted on 01/20/2016 10:47:28 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: PROCON

Algore really looks bloated.


29 posted on 01/20/2016 10:49:34 AM PST by beethovenfan (Islam is a cancer on civilization.)
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To: Olog-hai

When it comes to so-called global warming, the temperature is always 98.6 - since the exponents of this nonsense all have their heads stuck up their *sses.


30 posted on 01/20/2016 11:22:05 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Olog-hai
Ground based readings are prone to many errors including human error in recording the readings, manipulation of the data, and distortions created by the heat island effect of large paved areas near the thermometer.
31 posted on 01/20/2016 11:29:52 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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That’s why they do it. And then they have the nerve to claim they have an “average global temperature” reading.


32 posted on 01/20/2016 11:36:59 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Many data colection points were units placed next to heating exhaust vents. From the stories posted here over the years, some even had pictures showing it.


33 posted on 01/20/2016 11:55:39 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Any scientist should be grateful to get as many data points as possible from as wide a variety sources as possible.


Not if it proves them wrong and they lose a lucrative grant funding source...:^)

34 posted on 01/20/2016 11:58:05 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Olog-hai

I know this is missing all the fun, but, where you put it isn’t nearly so important as who’s reading it. When the it’s NASA Pro-CAGW religious fanatics reading it, the thermometer only reads what they want it to read.


35 posted on 01/20/2016 12:27:20 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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Government agencies and most scientists rely primarily on ground measurements, and they show that 2015 was the warmest year on record.

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36 posted on 01/20/2016 12:33:59 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Terrorism, the thing that shall not be named by the MSM)
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My favorite lie by the left is when they claim after seeing no warming in the satellite data that the heat “must be hiding”

!!!

ROFL

Oh yeah... the heat is HIDING! BAHHAHAHAHA

The assumption is NEVER hm... the satellite data does not back up what we are seeing on the ground.. maybe our ground data is faulty or compromised in some way. NOPE, the assumption is ALWAYS the ground data is right, and something ELSE must be going on!

37 posted on 01/20/2016 12:43:19 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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I can tell these global-warming believers where they can stick their thermometers.


38 posted on 01/20/2016 12:44:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Ah yes, heat energy is sapient and “hiding”, in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics. That always is a good one; really scientific.


39 posted on 01/20/2016 12:47:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And the most important metric, energy content of the deep ocean reservoir, is not even counted. DC may learn this weekend what the price of being wrong costs.


40 posted on 01/20/2016 3:54:41 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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