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Wonder what Rush and other "neutral" pundits will say about this?
1 posted on 03/10/2016 5:22:05 AM PST by joesbucks
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So I have a choice between a guy that has a positive message about making America Great Again, and wanting everyone to prosper in a stronger nation....or the Gope guy telling me I’m low-info?

Boy, sound real tough.


2 posted on 03/10/2016 5:24:48 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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o the divide in the voters Senator Cruz is between Dogmatism and Realism. It not “low information” or “anger” that drives the Trump people. It is Realism.

The 2016 GOP Primary has brought to the for an old divide in Conservatism. There currently is a war being waged between the Dogmatics and the Realists. The Dogmatist care nothing about political realities, only the purity of the candidate political dogma matters to them. The Realist understands you have to be able to advance the political ball down the field to achieve the goals of the dogma. The Realist understands some times a flawed tool is going work better then the flawlessly poltical pure tool.

Reagan, who was a realist, wrote about it.

By Ronald Reagan in his autobiography An American Life

“When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn’t like it. “Compromise” was a dirty word to them and they wouldn’t face the fact that we couldn’t get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don’t get it all, some said, don’t take anything. I’d learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: ‘I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.’ If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that’s what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

Th Dogmatic at NR, Town Hall, Red State and the rest of the “Conservative” media sneer at the realist as being “nihlistic towards DC and the GOP”.

It is not Nihilism, it Realism. Since 1988 Conservatives have faithfully pledges their treasure and time to the GOP. Despite elections successes in 1988, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010 and 2014 what have Conservative gotten from the GOP?

Prosperity? Nope worse economy since 1979.

Reduction in Government-nope as expense, corrupt, incompetent, intrusive and bigger then ever

Supreme Court? Nope as far left as it has ever been.

A Nation secure? Nope at risk in a dangerous world. Military broken, exhausted and overextended.

A respect for rule of law and the Constitution? Nope. Goveremnt, and society, is more lawless then it has ever been.

A healthy growing vibrant society? Nope stagnant or in decline everywhere in every way.

So, it not Nihilism, it Realism. It is a realistic assessment that doing the same thing again this year electorally is going to continue this decline and degradation from DC.You can only overcome inertia in any system with force. So we need to force DC out of it denigrate path onto a new path. So why Trump rather then Cruz?

I know this falls on deaf ears with 100%ers at NR, Red State and other “Conservative” media but the fact remains, we are a Constitutional Republic that rests on the notion that the people’s Representatives in Government know how to compromise and negotiate.

This feeling that Cruz will ride into DC and dictate the Conservative Media’s 100%er terms to everyone else there is simply wishful thinking. What is more probably is Cruz would be a GOP Carter.

Carter was the same sort of religious political puritan who went to DC and assumed he would dictate his political dogmas to everyone there. The record shows how badly that idea failed.

“Conservative” politicians talk a good game and then go to DC and accomplish nothing. After 30 years of fail, it is time to try another solution. The winning candidate is, brace yourseelf.... going to have to cut DEALS! And some times those deals require..compromise!!!

Another fail point for the “Principled Conservatives” is they think only as far as the election. Then once they win their purity candidates go to DC and fail against the inertia of the DC/Media political machine. 1988-1994-1998-2000-2002-2004-2010-2014 are all example of where this “Next election” mindset has failed.

Trump is merely the 1st wave of a multi wave assault. Cruz might do for a follow up wave, he is not a 1st wave candidate. Without Trump to lead the way, the Cruz boat would of either been ignored because it was irrelevant, or been shelled into oblivion by the $10s of millions of GOPE attack ads.

The 1st wave job in any assault is to shatter the defenses and open the road for the follow up waves. No matter how flawed you think the vessel is, Trump is the best 1st wave political assault team we have had to hand in my lifetime.

We need to use Trump for all he is worth to shatter the corrupt, “my party right or wrong” mindset that grips vast swaths of the electorate. Break that inertia, get the people thinking outside the party label box and real change is possible. Do not an we slide into a stagnate European style decline that will not end in my lifetime. Cruz shares that agenda point but is not as well equipped by background and media following to achieve that break through as Trump

We either win this now or we have little chance of ever doing it again politically. Once we win we must relentlessly stay on the attack election wave after election wave until we are dead.

I am really not willing to leave this fight to my kids and grand-kids. We have let the ship of state drift since Reagan in the hands of the “smart people”. We failed and most redeem that failure.

This is our generation’s “go” time

3 posted on 03/10/2016 5:25:35 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: joesbucks

Cruz and his establishment friends are working their hardest to never get the votes of Trump supporters. This is the one time where Ted might finally get something accomplished.


4 posted on 03/10/2016 5:25:49 AM PST by patq (A Vote for the New & Improved Ted Cruz is a Vote for the Same Old Establishment)
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To: joesbucks

I think there is also a strong “choose to ignore” aspect in those who follow Trump. They intellectually know of his liberal past, but don’t care because they connect with the angry meme of his campaign and is political incorrectness.


5 posted on 03/10/2016 5:25:53 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: joesbucks

I prefer Cruz, but I’ll happily take Trump.

Either way it will be the first time in 36 years that the GOP-wing of the Democrat party has been denied their will.

And yes, I am sure that the GOP-wing of the Democrat party does not really want Cruz. They want to use him to take out Trump, then they’ll take him out with birther nonsense. It doesn’t have to be true. It just has to cripple.


6 posted on 03/10/2016 5:26:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." --Samuel Clemens)
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Whi does them Crus guys always thinks us Trump suporters are dum?


7 posted on 03/10/2016 5:26:43 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: joesbucks

We’re engaged enough to know that the Canadian is part of the establishment wing of the tories...no matter how much he likes to claim that he’s an outsider.


8 posted on 03/10/2016 5:27:01 AM PST by tatown (Career politicians got us into this mess and they have no intention of getting us out of it.)
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To: joesbucks

From my interactions with them, I can confirm Cruz’s observation. And they hate when you point it out too!


9 posted on 03/10/2016 5:27:03 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Carl Grimes.)
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To: joesbucks

I posted this a while back and it got pulled. I wonder why? Thanks for posting it. Every Trump supporter needs to read this.


10 posted on 03/10/2016 5:28:04 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: joesbucks

Wow. What an elitist scumbag. He sounds like Obama.


14 posted on 03/10/2016 5:30:12 AM PST by 20yearsofinternet (Border: Close it. Illegals: Deport. Muslims: Ban 'em. Economy: Liberate it. PC: Kill it. Trump 2016)
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To: joesbucks

Some b*tch!


16 posted on 03/10/2016 5:31:15 AM PST by McGruff (Trump should sue the Republican Party for Breach of Contract.)
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More evidence of Cruz/s industrial strength narcissistic personality. He thinks he/s so much smarter than the rest of us....we can/t possibly know what we are doing in supporting Trump when we have this perfect Cruz specimen in the race.

Then there/s his:

<><> lifelong self-absorption.

<><> putting himself first above others,

<><> always acting like he is better than the rest of humanity.

<><> a snob in spades....feeling he is destined for greatness.

<><> Cruz wouldn/t play team sports b/c he/d share the glory with others.

<><> His vaunted debate championship was not in the National Debate Tournament of 2-person teams;

<><> Cruz debated in a Canadian tournament where he received all the credit himself.

<><> his Senate reputation where most of his colleagues despise him....is well-deserved.

17 posted on 03/10/2016 5:31:19 AM PST by Liz (SAFE PLACE? A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing can penetrate it.)
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I have been studying the internals of the polls for eight months.

I have yet to find ONE poll where Trump comes out behind Cruz among college educated voters. Sometimes it’s close with “some college,” and Trump was slightly behind Rubes among “post college,” but Cruz has NEVER led among “college” or “post college.”

Moreover, when no education data was available, I looked at income as a proxy (the idea being that wealthier people are usually more educated.) Same thing. Trump ALWAYS leads in $45,000-65,000, and above $65,000, Cruz usually has an edge among those making less than $45,000.

This is part and parcel of the GOPe line that Adrian Gray and Jay Cost have been rolling out since mid-summer, all wrong.


18 posted on 03/10/2016 5:31:32 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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Ted Cruz is playing politics.

I know as much about this election as anyone he knows, and I support Trump.


19 posted on 03/10/2016 5:31:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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If you don’t vote for me you are stupid- I’m Ted Cruz and I approved this message


21 posted on 03/10/2016 5:32:09 AM PST by Donglalinger
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“relatively low information” is simply code for ‘racist’ and really dumb people will not vote for trump to prove that they are not racists.


26 posted on 03/10/2016 5:34:05 AM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: joesbucks

how many times is this story going to be posted?


28 posted on 03/10/2016 5:34:27 AM PST by dila813
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Is this a new tactic?

Win your competitor’s voters by insulting them?

Or is it the same old certainty that non-liberals have no where else to go so it doesn’t really matter what you say or how you treat them.

More or less the same attitude democrats have about their plantation blacks.


30 posted on 03/10/2016 5:35:50 AM PST by Iron Munro (Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth -- Mike Tyson)
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Bite me, Ted.


31 posted on 03/10/2016 5:36:36 AM PST by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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Wow, Cruz will not get Dem voters and now craps on Trump voters. Debate tonight. Mods will mention this.
34 posted on 03/10/2016 5:38:11 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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