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Trump or Cruz doesn't really matter (Vanity)

Posted on 04/20/2016 4:27:42 PM PDT by BJ1

I read another vanity post, so please forgive me for cluttering up FR with my own. But I would like to give my two cents on why nothing really matters in this primary.

The root problem is the republicans do nothing to stop the fundamental transformation of the electorate that favors the democratic party. The Dems are aggressively expanding their pool of likely voters. And for the last few decades, up to the present day, the republicans say next to nothing about it.

Now the way things are, how can you change things the way Reagan did? How can you get broad support say for a tax cut when such a large segment not only does not pay, but receives significant benefits from their fellow citizens? Selling them on the idea of liberty and economic growth hasn’t been competing well against the opposition's promises of more free stuff.

Young white children are no longer a majority. White middle class women are having 1.6 children per. Now I am only bringing up that to illustrate the America of yesterday is gone. Trump will do nothing to change the equation. He may make the transformation happen more slowly, but that is it. In fact, Trump may stigmatize the Latino vote against the republican party in a way that it is now with Blacks. I’m not saying Cruz would do any better. Because what is needed is a viable strategy to change entrenched thoughts and attitudes about the proper role of government and the individual citizen.

In fact, the Democrats are in full control here. Their agenda is what is being advanced in pop culture and in our schools. I don't see a future for conservatism unless there is a paradigm shift in thoughts and attitudes. The momentum for change as I can see it, is all leftward.


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1 posted on 04/20/2016 4:27:42 PM PDT by BJ1
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Absolutely spot on correct!

If Conservatism is not taught, but rammed, it is dead. What we end up with are clowns carrying the Conservative flag, i.e. Trump and Cruz.

Conservatism is dying I don’t care WHAT happens in Nov. Not much longer and it will be gone unless we are something more than a screaming mob of ideologues.

Nicely said.


2 posted on 04/20/2016 4:32:19 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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Basically. We’re in deep shiite.


3 posted on 04/20/2016 4:33:29 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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Is our primary process fair? Look at the precints in New York.....
District 15
Trump 636 3 delegates won
Cruz 251
Kasich 135

Now go to District 1......
Trump 37,137 3 delegates won
Kasich 8,772
Cruz 4,658

how is it possible that in district 15 .. around one thousand people get 3 delegates.....
....and................. in district 1.....50,000 people get 3 delegates????


4 posted on 04/20/2016 4:34:17 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: BJ1

The new Republican strategy for 2016 is to choose a Democrat as their nominee.


5 posted on 04/20/2016 4:36:53 PM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Sec. 4)
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When things get bad enough they have to turn around. The bad news is it has to get really really bad before most free loaders will quit the freeloading system.

GW Bush expanded the problem by giving more welfare in the tax code. First we need to get rid of the tax code as it is today. Get rid of the IRS.

But to make real reforms we need to go back to states electing senators not the people. I know this is a shock to some but this is why our states are getting creamed by the federal gov’t. The Senators were supposed to watch out for the states but when we started direct election of senators that all went bye bye. Direct Democracy isn’t necessarily a good thing. There’s a reason our founders put in the electoral college and had states choose the senators.


6 posted on 04/20/2016 4:39:02 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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“The Dems are aggressively expanding their pool of likely voters. And for the last few decades, up to the present day, the republicans say next to nothing about it. “

Trump IS expanding the pool of voters who will vote Republican. Just the GOPe, instead of being happy about it, wants to stop it.

GOPe is in bed with the Democrats for a Hillary presidency.

See:

Tech billionaires (major Dem donors) plot with GOP leaders at exclusive island resort to stop Trump

http://nypost.com/2016/03/08/tech-billionaires-plot-with-gop-leaders-to-stop-trump-at-exclusive-island-resort/


7 posted on 04/20/2016 4:42:12 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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“I don’t see a future for conservatism unless there is a paradigm shift in thoughts and attitudes. The momentum for change as I can see it, is all leftward.”

I agree with most of what you said. We past the point of no return probably when 9/11 happened, maybe sooner.

We’re simply following the model Aristotle where Republics turn into Democracies which then turn into Despotic Tyranny Hell-holes. Immigrants and the parasites our social system supports don’t care about our past or values. They want “stuff” and lots of it. Some might have a change of heart and become American in the old way, but I’m not that optimistic. Today we replace Andrew Jackson with Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill. Tomorrow, Washington with Obama or MLK. Ben Franklin with Cesar Chavez?

A Trump victory may stifle the NWO/OWG plans a few decades, but the end result will be the same.

IMHO, we are literally living in the End Times spoken of in Revelation and Daniel. It will continue to get worse & worse. Matthew 24:7 (Nation rising against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom).


8 posted on 04/20/2016 4:43:24 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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Sort of like some states with small populations get fewer representatives in the House than states with large populations, but all only get 2 senators.

Those small population states are why the Founding Fathers came up with the Electoral College. Otherwise, all presidental elections would be determined by the likes of NY City, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.

Guess where most of the Libs live. That is why they keep wanting to dismantle the EC.


9 posted on 04/20/2016 4:45:58 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I hate to think you’re right but you may very well be.


10 posted on 04/20/2016 4:46:07 PM PDT by traderrob6
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Well, we are dealing with forces that go way beyond our own borders. The world paradigm is socialism, it has been that way since World War 2 when Europe went hard left and internationalist quickly in the aftermath and America began a much slower transformation into internationalism and socialism.

We should not curse the age too greatly however...we may be seeing the development of the next world paradigm as we watch America finally succumb where the rest of the west has well before. Islam and Shariah are rising up and are young, populous, aggressive and attractive to eyes that see nothing but rudderless materialism and decay in the west.

And we would probably be very happy with our sick socialist society compared to what is coming.


11 posted on 04/20/2016 4:46:26 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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Kalifornia was nominally a conservative Republican state until Regan left the governors mansion. Now look at it.


12 posted on 04/20/2016 4:48:02 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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..Their agenda is what is being advanced in pop culture and in our schools....

And the USA is paying the price with the new Socialist generation. However, millenials appear to have low voter turnout.


13 posted on 04/20/2016 4:51:04 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prosecution 2016)
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It’s I’ll give you free stuff verses I’ll give you a job. Now vote.


14 posted on 04/20/2016 4:52:46 PM PDT by pnut22
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Well, Pat Buchannan pretty much said that about 20 years ago.

Wyrd bid ful ared.


15 posted on 04/20/2016 4:53:37 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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“Well, Pat Buchannan pretty much said that about 20 years ago.”
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True, and the response of the GOPe was to virtually expel him from the party. They have thrown out or marginalized those who actually had the important issues figured out, or who failed to bend a knee to the neocons.


16 posted on 04/20/2016 4:57:27 PM PDT by The Continental Op
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Reagan didn't let changing demographics lock Republicans out of office.

Somebody else might have looked at the Republican base of the 1930s and 1940s and seen how it shrank as a share of the population and concluded that Republicans or conservatives had no hope for success.

Reagan, who'd actually been a liberal Democrat back then, understood that Republicans could win over voters who'd been Democrats (or even foreigners) in the old days and win elections.

Granted, all that is easier said than done, but while demographics may be destiny, they don't prevent intelligent action to win over voters who might at one point been on the other side.

Of course, it's also the case that the descendants of a lot of those old Republicans of 70 years ago have gone over to the Democrats. It cuts both ways.

17 posted on 04/20/2016 5:03:24 PM PDT by x
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Conservatism is being taught exclusively in the home.

Public schools teach and advance socialism and globalism.

Catholic, Christian, and other private schools may teach conservatism.

We are lucky if schools teach patriotism and factual American history.

We are being outnumbered by birthrate, immigration, and indoctrination.

If conservatism is not expanded, we’ll become like the Amish communities.


18 posted on 04/20/2016 5:36:39 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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Optimistic comments in a thread where I don't read much hope, though I like the fact that the alarm is being raised.

Hope is the stuff that has sustained America for more than 200 years, and it can surely be revived with great leadership. Winners always find a way of prevailing even when the odds don't look so good.

This is why I think Trump is on the right track and why so many folks are signing on to his vision.  He's not bought, so he can influence in ways that a puppet candidate can not.

There must also be a role for Free Republic in helping educate the electorate -- or at least the intelligent minority who can motivate people to turn out at elections and make things happen.

Very disappointed in our supposed "conservative leaders": Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin have both sold their souls to the globalist agenda and the closet Bushies.

So the education must come from elsewhere.  And FR can play a big role.  Any ideas out there?


19 posted on 04/20/2016 5:51:55 PM PDT by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

” We past the point of no return probably when 9/11 happened, maybe sooner”.<— yes.

“A Trump victory may stifle the NWO/OWG plans a few decades, but the end result will be the same.” yes <-—

We are way late to the to the party. Trump will be unable to stop it because that would take over decade(s). No new leader is going to be able to fix so much that is broken with our system. But Trump could fix a few of the majors. He can slow the train down and stop it in it’s tracks for a short time. Give us a chance, to reexamine and reevaluate the involuntary course we’re headed towards.

A lot more prayer for the American people and for all of its leaders to make the right decisions is really the only true answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyRZTAmcW7c

“Long Black Train” josh turner


20 posted on 04/20/2016 6:09:18 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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