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(Vanity) Why is there no set process for a state to leave the union?
GraceG

Posted on 05/13/2016 1:18:26 PM PDT by GraceG

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Just some musings on what it means to be a state vs. a country and whatnot.
1 posted on 05/13/2016 1:18:26 PM PDT by GraceG
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It’s something like the Hotel California . . . you can check in but you can’t check out.


2 posted on 05/13/2016 1:24:20 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: GraceG

I think Lincoln settled that one. It’s like Hotel California. Once in, you can never leave.


3 posted on 05/13/2016 1:24:31 PM PDT by Wingy
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These issues were pretty much resolved in 1865.. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the US Constitution is not a compact of the states, but a compact of the people of the United States. Your arguments were debated for a long time and finally settled by a horrific war. Reason suggests not repeating same.


4 posted on 05/13/2016 1:25:41 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: GraceG

That’s what the Civil War was about.


5 posted on 05/13/2016 1:26:20 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Trump is Alexander slashing the Gordian Knot!)
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To: GraceG

All states have always had the right to secede from the Union. Many states, such as Texas, retained that right explicitly in the very articles by which their legislature approved entering the Union.

The Declaration of Independence declares the natural right of people to secede from any political unit of which they have been a part. The existence of that natural right is among the “self-evident truths” listed in the Declaration.

Lincoln WAS a tyrant and a mass murderer. He made war against states for exercising a natural right declared in the Declaration. Thus, Lincoln nullified the Declaration.

The “Union,” ever since its victory over the Confederacy, has been a tyrannical empire, claiming many absurd prerogatives—such as the claim that it is “indivisible.”

The people living in it have enjoyed many personal freedoms, but those freedoms are not based on the rights of the people. Rather, those freedoms have been tolerated by the tyrants running the country while they went about the slow business of turning the country into an overt tyranny.


6 posted on 05/13/2016 1:28:40 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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If states are not allowed to leave legally, why did the Confederate States have to be re-admitted?
7 posted on 05/13/2016 1:28:44 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Cincinnatus

The issue was not resolved by the Civil War.

The only issue resolved by the Civil War was: Can the North crush the South by burning, razing, and murdering?

The answer was Yes.


8 posted on 05/13/2016 1:30:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: GraceG

Try to get rid of your cable provider.


9 posted on 05/13/2016 1:30:59 PM PDT by Yaelle (Tinkerbelle glittering up the runway for Trump Force One!)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

If a Constitutional Amendment was necessary in 1919 to give Congress the power to regulate or ban ONE CHEMICAL, why has NO amendment been necessary to give Congress the power to regulate or ban thousands of other chemicals?


10 posted on 05/13/2016 1:31:58 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: GraceG

Texas could have a case. They actually joined the union as a sovereign nation....a merger with terms and conditions that could be voided...


11 posted on 05/13/2016 1:32:14 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Wingy

[ I think Lincoln settled that one. It’s like Hotel California. Once in, you can never leave. ]

Well yes, but the south did leave illegally, even if there was no set process to leave in the first place.

I am thinking there should be a set process for a state to leave and if was reasonable and took more effort to leave than to join, and was spelled out HOW to do it, it could be added as an amendment to codify the process.

Say you have to have a state referendum of at least 75% of the state’s population who vote to leave, followed by 2/3 of the state legislature and signed off by the governor, then a say for instance 8 year process of de-state-ifying begins where federal assets are repatriated back to the state and state residents are given the choice to retain us citizenship and move to another state in the union, while people from other states may move into the new country without a visa and apply for new country citizen ship, etc....

Military assets and bases are transitioned to the state national guard and people in the US military who are residents of that state are given the choice to stay in the US arm they will have to move to another state or they can stay in the state that is leaving and be moved into that state’s national guard.

You would have a process of slowly handing over National parks to the state government as well as other “federal” assets etc...

But having a set process would allow a state to leave without needing any bloodshed because people voting to leave would know the process.


12 posted on 05/13/2016 1:32:36 PM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: GraceG

Because we are a union. To leave breaks the union


13 posted on 05/13/2016 1:33:41 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Then perhaps it is time for you to live somewhere else

Nice revisionism but oh so wrong


14 posted on 05/13/2016 1:35:33 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Cincinnatus

[ These issues were pretty much resolved in 1865.. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the US Constitution is not a compact of the states, but a compact of the people of the United States. Your arguments were debated for a long time and finally settled by a horrific war. Reason suggests not repeating same. ]

But isn’t Holding hostage a state with say 90% of the population wanting to leave the union essentially illegal if not violating the principle of self governance?


15 posted on 05/13/2016 1:36:41 PM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Read Article VI, especially Section 3, Clause 1.


16 posted on 05/13/2016 1:36:56 PM PDT by henkster (DonÂ’t listen to what people say, watch what they do.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

Because they had been at war and had to show they were no longer at war but were peacefully part of the union


17 posted on 05/13/2016 1:37:12 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: GraceG

After the federal government goes bankrupt the US will split into about 6 different countries.


18 posted on 05/13/2016 1:37:22 PM PDT by toast
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To: Arthur McGowan

[ If a Constitutional Amendment was necessary in 1919 to give Congress the power to regulate or ban ONE CHEMICAL, why has NO amendment been necessary to give Congress the power to regulate or ban thousands of other chemicals? ]

Because the progressives just invented the FDA out of thin air and later the DEA to trample the hell all over the idea of federalism....


19 posted on 05/13/2016 1:37:48 PM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Where did you learn your history. It is not only far fetched but illogical as well


20 posted on 05/13/2016 1:38:14 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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