It takes 3 HOURS for a SWAT team to arrive????
Flash bang and then clear the room.
SWAT should be trained and ready at all times
IIRC, he killed thirty people in that bathroom, giggling and laughing while he shot them under and over the stall they were hiding in. Only one person lived to tell the story.
So why, exactly, were the cops there at all? After all, they went to where there was a shooter. Was it to arrest anyone who had an unregistered pistol they might have used to try to save themselves?
My God, words fail. May these cops be haunted, for the rest of their lives, by the sounds of the screams and shots they heard while they stayed safe on the other side of that door.
> People died because of their incompetence.
None of the people who died were cops - just expendable mundanes. The primary goal of officer safety was successfully achieved.
Remember, those officers have families to go home to at night - it simply wouldn’t do to put them at risk.
So sad.
I haven’t heard much about the funerals/memorial services for the victims.
This latest news has to make it that much harder.
I have another question that has been nagging at me for the last week and a half.
There were two or three of the dead that were UNDERAGE. Including a young guy from Phoenix, whom was only nineteen years of age. Does Florida have a lower age of majority than the others?
Or as I suspect, has that little inconvenient fact just been kinda slid back into the shadows?
Odungo’s rules of engagement....best not to offend
the sensibilities of your mooslim neighbor, its better to die an unnecessary death.
There was that shooting in Oregon at the community college. Two cops in their car showed up and as they were driving they were planning on who would grab what out of the trunk as they suited up with their vests and stuff. I don’t recall if their plan was to wait for others or not.
As they drove up they heard the shooting and all of their planning went out the window. They had their pistols and maybe one grabbed a rifle or shotgun from inside the car and ran towards the sounds of gunfire.
They came around the corner of a building and the shooter took a couple of shots at them but they kept going and got him within a few minutes of getting the call.
How many wounded, who would otherwise have survived, bled out during those three hours? It would be interesting to see the autopsy reports, but I suspect they will never see the light of day.
In the old days of Journalism, some reporter would be bird-dogging the Coroner and write up a Page One story.
I am not completely convinced of Orlando PD’s culpability yet, but I must admit that the evidence increasingly indicates an utterly inadequate initial response.
I was a police firearms instructor, Special Reaction Team trained. I always instructed my officers that in the event of an active shooter, it was their duty to do whatever they could to neutralize him by forcing him to cover, or killing him, even at the dire risk of their own lives. I taught them that even only one officer on the scene was an active shooter neutralizer, and two or more was an active shooter neutralizer fire team, and should employ tactics toward that end. I taught them if they were not prepared to do so, they they were morally obligated to resign.
Waiting for SWAT is fine in a stabilized situation. An active shooter calls for desperate measures to stop. This must be hammered into law enforcement at all levels. I would have disregarded such halt orders and assaulted that bathroom with whomever would have accompanied me, or alone if I had to, and dealt with the consequences later. My conscience would not have allowed me any other action.
“they were told”...gotta love the passive voice. Who told them to wait?
Bathroom , I thought they said he ran out a hole in a wall blasting away like Rambo
There have been a number of articles stating how the first officers on the scene made it to firing positions on the bathroom area and were then told to wait for SWAT. Okay.... SWAT show up, how long did SWAT delay taking out the jihadi?????? 2 or 3 hours?
I’ve also heard that a number of the hostages were killed by cops, not Mateen.