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Actually, men have always wanted more children than women have
The Globe and Mail ^ | 03/30/2015 | Marina Adshade

Posted on 09/29/2017 7:17:35 PM PDT by BJ1

Economist Marina Adshade is the author of The Love Market: What You Need To Know About How We Date, Mate And Marry. She teaches at the University of British Columbia’s Vancouver School of Economics.

Jezebel, the women-focused website with a penchant for feminism and cute animals, recently declared the beginning of a new era with the eye-catching headline: “New Trend: Men Wanting Babies, Women Wanting Freedom”. The article, and a similar one in New York Magazine, proclaims an end to supposedly long-standing paradigm in which maternally driven women have been forcing men into reluctant fatherhood. Men, apparently, are now the ones pushing for children.

Their story goes something like this. Back when women did all the work raising children and caring for the home, women wanted to have children, but men did not. Now that men are taking on a greater share of the workload at home, men want to have children, but women do not. In summary, the anticipation of more work is making men eager to become fathers and the anticipation of less work is making women more reluctant.

Perhaps that is not quite their argument, but it does hinge heavily on the relative contribution women make to childrearing, which, in reality, has only decreased over time.

This argument of a gender reversal in the willingness to have children is shakily supported by an anecdote about a married couple in which he is keen to have children, and she is still trying to decide, and a 2011 Match.com study of singles over the age of 21 which found that more men who had no children under the age of 18 living at home said they wanted to have children (24 per cent) than did single women with no children at home (18 per cent).

It seems to me, however, that if you want to proclaim a new trend, you should be relying on something a little more substantial than “conventional wisdom” from the past. And the evidence from the past suggests that there is absolutely nothing new about men being more eager to have children than women.

The Statistics Canada General Social Survey of the family has been asking Canadian men and women about their fertility intentions for decades with this question, “How many children do you plan to have, including the ones that have already been born or you are expecting at this time?”

When this question was first asked in 1990, more women than men expressed a disinterest in having children. Among childless men and women between the ages of 15 and 44, 15 per cent of women said they had no desire to have children in the future compared to only 10 per cent of men. Additionally, more men than women expressed a desire to have children in every age group and regardless of whether they were married, single, cohabitating, or divorced.

As expected, the share of women who wish to remain childless has increased over time, up to 23 per cent in 2011, but contrary what we are being told, the share of men who wish to remain childless has increased by even more, almost doubling to 19 per cent.

While the media seems fixated on women who are choosing to forgo motherhood, the trend in men is much more interesting. It seems that in an era in which women are making a bigger contribution to the household income, and in which men are expected to dedicate more hours to parenting, men are responding by acting more like women: they are willing to forgo parenthood all together.

Back in 1990, Canadian women out-earned their husbands in only one in five marriages in which both the husband and wife worked. Today, the share of those marriages in which the wife earns more than her husband has climbed to almost one in three. Economic theory predicts that when dividing the responsibility for childcare, the parent who has the lowest income should be the one who reduces their work hours when that is necessary. Relative to the past, today that person is more frequently the father and some men, like some women, are choosing not to make that sacrifice.

There is no new trend in which men want babies. Men have always wanted babies as long as women were willing to make all the sacrifices. Now that those sacrifices are more evenly shared between parents, no one should be surprised to learn that fewer men now want to have children.


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KEYWORDS: children; marriage
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This author is saying men want kids more than women. Huh? Do you guys think this is true?
1 posted on 09/29/2017 7:17:36 PM PDT by BJ1
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This author is saying men want kids more than women. Huh? Do you guys think this is true?


The author is Very Low T. Borderline Gay


2 posted on 09/29/2017 7:20:05 PM PDT by Autonomous User (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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She likes to give lectures on stuff like “female sexual freedom” and the like. Would you trust this face?


3 posted on 09/29/2017 7:21:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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That’s because men don’t have to give birth.
I think it was Bill Cosby who said, if you
want to know what childbirth is like, pull
your lower lip up until it touches your nose.
Now pull it on over your head.


4 posted on 09/29/2017 7:30:36 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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My husband wanted a houseful, I wanted none


5 posted on 09/29/2017 7:32:20 PM PDT by mom4melody (,)
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To: sparklite2

My pain tolerance is quite high. I can take much more pain than women. Women taking more pain than men is an old wives tail.


6 posted on 09/29/2017 7:35:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Can’t blame them. If there’s enough money laying around an arrangement can be made. Otherwise they have to be content being the crazy aunt.


7 posted on 09/29/2017 7:35:35 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Red Steel

tail = tale. LoL.


8 posted on 09/29/2017 7:36:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Olog-hai

if drunk and I had two paper bags, maybe . . . LOL


9 posted on 09/29/2017 7:40:49 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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Yes, as trophies of their “manliness”. Of course they instinctively want to spread their seed. And it’s easy for them.

That does NOT mean they actually want to be a father. Just a sire. Again, that’s easy and fun.

It’s actually quite natural.


10 posted on 09/29/2017 7:43:54 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Red Steel

And you have proof of either via....?


11 posted on 09/29/2017 7:44:35 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It’s an opinion based on observation over decades.


12 posted on 09/29/2017 7:45:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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I knew a woman who already had two children. Her husband wanted one more. She didn’t.

They compromised. He got the third child. She got a 3 karat diamond.


13 posted on 09/29/2017 7:46:44 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: sparklite2

That was Carol Burnette, not Bill Cosby.


14 posted on 09/29/2017 7:51:40 PM PDT by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: ladyjane

That. Is. Awesome.


15 posted on 09/29/2017 7:52:43 PM PDT by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: ponygirl

Okay, thanks.


16 posted on 09/29/2017 7:56:01 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: ponygirl

I’d draw the line at a 5 karat.


17 posted on 09/29/2017 7:56:40 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Red Steel

Is this sarcasm? Have you given birth? Look like fun to you?


18 posted on 09/29/2017 7:56:55 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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Giving birth doesn’t prove they can take pain better than men. It’s a necessity for human life.


19 posted on 09/29/2017 8:00:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: bigdaddy45

LOL great screen name to make that comment.


20 posted on 09/29/2017 8:00:49 PM PDT by ladyjane
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