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On this date in 1943

Posted on 12/28/2017 3:30:57 PM PST by Bull Snipe

Stalin's NKVD started to round up the Kalmkys. Their crime, some had served the Germans. Of the 95,000 ethnic Kalmyks, about half died enroute or during their first winter in Siberia. Stalin's order was absolute. Ethnic Kalmky's were pulled out of the front line infantry and tank units and deported. Included were 21 Kalmyk soldiers that had been awarded "Hero of the Soviet Union." for their service in combat to the Soviet Union.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: kalmyks; kievrose; lenin; marx; nkvd; russia; stalin; ussr
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1 posted on 12/28/2017 3:30:57 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

“Their crime, some had served the Germans.”

Well that’s a pretty serious crime I’d say. But that nothing beats that old world retardedness of arresting everyone, even soldiers in the army.
The Nazi Germans had a similar mentality. It didn’t matter how much someone had served Germany in WWI, or what medals they were awarded. If they were Jewish, they were murdered.


2 posted on 12/28/2017 3:41:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ... we.)
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To: Bull Snipe

And sadly the NKVD legacy is celebrated in today’s Russia. As a “necessary” evil.

Felix Derzhinsky portraits abound in police stations and Stalin’s crimes are justified because well...he beat the Nazis.

Current FSB chief Aleksandr Bortnikov defended the purges last week at the centennial of thd founding of the Cheka:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-police-werent-all-that-bad-during-stalin-purges-says-spy-chief-alexander-bortnikov-mvdfkbxbt


3 posted on 12/28/2017 3:45:18 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

file this under the title of the “good old days”. We are not absolved of these types of reminisces.


4 posted on 12/28/2017 3:48:15 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

So you are nostalgic for similar actions?


5 posted on 12/28/2017 3:49:10 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

No. Stalin was probably the most cold blooded autocrat in the 20th century. Even Hitler could not match Stalin’s level of remorseless brutality.


6 posted on 12/28/2017 3:51:32 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Kalmykia

On December 27, 1943, Soviet authorities declared the Kalmyk people guilty of cooperation with the German Army and ordered the deportation of the entire Kalmyk population to various locations in Central Asia and Siberia. In conjunction with the deportation, the Kalmyk ASSR was abolished and its territory was split between adjacent Astrakhan, Rostov and Stalingrad Oblasts and Stavropol Krai. To completely obliterate any traces of the Kalmyk people, the Soviet authorities renamed the former republic’s towns and villages.[20]

The population transfer occurred immediately in the middle of the evening. No one was given advanced notification or time to assemble their belongings, including warm clothing, in preparation for their forced relocation. They were transported in trucks from their homes to the local railway stations where they were loaded in unheated cattle cars. In many cases, the cars were filled beyond capacity and did not contain bathrooms. Food was not provided, and water fell through the holes and cracks in the cattle car in the form of snow. As a result of these harsh conditions, many children and elderly men and women died en route.
Post-war Kalmykia

Due to their widespread dispersal in Siberia their language and culture suffered possibly irreversible decline. Khrushchev finally allowed their return in 1957, when they found their homes, jobs and land occupied by imported Russians and Ukrainians, who remained. On January 9, 1957, Kalmykia again became an autonomous oblast, and on July 29, 1958, an autonomous republic within the Russian SFSR.

In the following years bad planning of agricultural and irrigation projects resulted in widespread desertification, and economically unviable industrial plants were constructed.


7 posted on 12/28/2017 3:52:17 PM PST by Bookshelf
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To: Bull Snipe

A few days ago, a group of Russian scientists and scholars banded together to voice their alarm at Bortnikov’s justifications:

http://m.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/2125529/russian-scientists-slam-security-chief-stalin-purge


8 posted on 12/28/2017 3:53:55 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Bookshelf

Thanks


9 posted on 12/28/2017 3:54:40 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Sorta like justifying the interning 0f 120,000 Japanese Americans in concentration camps. While not to the level of Soviet brutality, the basic principal is the same


10 posted on 12/28/2017 4:01:34 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
"No. Stalin was probably the most cold blooded autocrat in the 20th century. Even Hitler could not match Stalin’s level of remorseless brutality."

Hitler would have easily surpassed Stalin. Hitler just ran out of time.

11 posted on 12/28/2017 4:02:25 PM PST by Enterprise (Do away with all symbols of past slavery. Start with the Democrat Party.)
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"Felix Derzhinsky portraits abound..."

And well they should...Without his ruthless genius, the revolution would have failed...

In fact, we see much of his doctrinal influence today in the U.S. government.

It's now referred to as the "deep state", a sneaky malignant cancer that attacks those pesky concepts: freedom & liberty.

It can also be found in the the other hidden agenda for destroying the U.S. know as "open borders".

Aspects of Dzerzhinsky's strategies can be found in both of the above. They were key in saving a failing Russian revolution. Whether they will save the current marxist coup in the U.S. is still unclear...

12 posted on 12/28/2017 4:03:49 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Enterprise

I doubt that. By the time WWII started between German and the Soviet Union, some estimate that 20,000,000 Soviet citizens had already died at the hands of Joseph Stalin. Hitler never even came close to that body count of German citizens. This excludes the deaths of soldiers in each army.


13 posted on 12/28/2017 4:07:58 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Yes it was bad.

There were reparations and acknowledgment...sometimes property was returned. I know a descendant of Japanese internment victims, and he is one of the most patriotic Americans I know...maybe because he too has spent time in the former Soviet Union. (For an art project.)

Regardless, it was evil.


14 posted on 12/28/2017 4:17:43 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

While not reaching the level of evil as Buchenwald or Belsen
the American interment camps were concentration camps, none the less. Japanese Americas were shot trying to escape. Reparations and apologies do not erase or any anyway abate that fact.


15 posted on 12/28/2017 4:25:50 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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Russians would love you. Because this is exactly how they justify their history. Deja vu. This is how almost all conversations on history would devolve.

“Soviet Union was not perfect but it was good and...you lynch black people and intern Japanese...”

(or nuclear bomb them rather.)


16 posted on 12/28/2017 4:41:39 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Bull Snipe

This story is a good history lesson, meaning it will happen again, and maybe right in our own country.

Imagine, the very unpopular war called Vietnam. The war, IMO, that helped fuel the cultural revolution of the 60’s. Now if enough lefties get in power, such as with Hitlery, what kind of damage in that department could be done?

How about vilifying all Viet Vets? How about opening files of the CIA and all the other folks that ran secret ops over there and finding what they think are atrocities (by their propaganda standards) and putting on trial the veterans whose names are within?

Get that going, then start on straight Christian White men.


17 posted on 12/28/2017 4:43:20 PM PST by redfreedom
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To: Bull Snipe

Reminiscences.


18 posted on 12/28/2017 4:45:17 PM PST by ThanhPhero
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To: redfreedom

I almost think the pessimism/cynicism on these boards have gotten worse since Trump’s ascent to high office not better. Its like he never won or something. Sheesh.


19 posted on 12/28/2017 4:46:06 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: SuperLuminal

Well the Soviets certainly banked on “ends justify the means” for just about everything.


20 posted on 12/28/2017 4:52:57 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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