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Advice on buying a economy Camcorder (novice on specs etc.)
Amazon ^ | Thu, 03/08/18 | daniel1212

Posted on 03/08/2018 5:06:21 PM PST by daniel1212

I am at the point where I am somewhat prayerfully looking a getting should have a camcorder (though I am still without a cell phone which some can be controlled by). But while I have narrowed down the candidates to 5 (plus a Action Camera in case that would be viable). I am looking for one with the best sharp resolution (color quality is not that important) which would be used outsides as well as in, but I have little idea what the specs mean.

I see specs such as 720p, or 1920 x 1080P, or 1920x1080 FHD @15fps, 1280x720 HD, as well as Resolution:6000x4500(24M),5120x3840(20M),4608x3472(16M) plus CMOS: 1.3Mega pixels, max 16.0Mega pixels, or 5.1Mega pixels CMOS sensor(16MP Interpolation), and then 3.0 TFT LCD screen.

I am leaning to the SUNLEA or the LINNSE, while I put the action camera in there since i wondered if that could be used.

I do not want to waste money, and this would be a substantial purchase for such a thing, and so I thought I would ask advice from some FReepers. So below is what i see on Amazon, and thanks for any advice.

KINGEAR PL004 Mini DV C8 16MP High Definition Digital Video Camcorder $56.99

DVR 2.7'' TFT LCD 16x Zoom Hd Video Recorder Camera 1280 x 720p Digital Video


High Definition Support: 720P (HD) Memory Capacity: 32GB Sensor Type: 3CMOS¡ê?high-class material and advanced technology, which can record high-quality image, voice and video clips, it's available with 1.3Mega pixels 2.7inch LCD screen(the max 16.0Mega pixels),supports 720p.


External Memory with Card Slot: SD/SDHC card (32GB Max) available for connecting TVs.LCD High Definition Video Camcorder is small, light and can fit right in your pocket.

Sensor CMOS: 1.3Mega pixels,The max 16.0Mega pixels

Monitor screen: 2.7 inch LCD,16:9,available with 270 degree rotation

TV output TVPAL/NTSC

Usb port: USB2.0

Lens: F/3.2,=7.6mm

Focus Normal: 1.2m~infinity

$56.99 & FREE Shipping


KINGEAR $59.99

GordVE KG0017 HD1080P 16MP Digital Video Camcorder 3.0inch Camera TFT LCD 16x Zoom

100% Brand New and High quality from GordVE. GordVE offers 12 months Warranty and 30 days free exchange.


High image 16.0 Megapixel Image Resolution,1920 x 1080P Video resolution,3.0 inch Color TFT LCD; 5.1Mega pixels CMOS sensor(16MP Interpolation). Support SD/DSHC card,Max up 32GB. Compatible with PAL . Package Dimensions 7.2 x 6 x 4.3 inches 12.8 ounces


Does this have a external microphone Jack?

Answer:

Sorry, it doesn't. it has build-in microphone


SUNLEA $53.99

Camcorder Video Camera Full HD 1080p Camcorders 24.0 MP Digital Camera Webcam Pause Function 16X Digital Zoom $53.99 60 to 90 minutes normally when it’s fully charged

Full HD 1080p 24.0 MP CamcorderThis camcorder supports 1080p video resolution and 24.0 MP picture resolutions. It also supports 37mm wide angle macro lens, fisheye lens, and teleconverter lens and so on, which are excluded in the package. You can enjoy different visual effect of pictures according to your needs. It is very nice 1080p camera which is easy to operate and you can take more pictures or videos at home or on trips.

Video Resolution: 1920x1080 FHD @15fps, 1280x720 HD, 640x480

Image Resolution:6000x4500(24M),5120x3840(20M),4608x3472(16M),4000x3000(12M),3264x2448(8M),2592x1944(5M),2048x1536(3M),1280x960(1M)

TV Out: NTSC/PAL

AV output: Support

Built-in microphone: Support

Rechargeable Lithium ion battery x1

Webcam Function: This video camera can be used as webcam. You can have a video call with your families or friends when connected with your computer. You just need to choose PCCAM mode for USB. The USB also can be used to transfer files to your other device by choosing MSDC mode. This camcorder can support the external SD card up to 32GB, and the SD card is excluded in the package one year warranty and customer service will be provided within 24 hours. It also supports anti-shake function,

Package Dimensions 6.9 x 5.6 x 3.7 inches 1.12 pounds


LINNSE $65.99

Camcorder Video Camera Full HD Camcorders 1080P 24.0MP Vlogging Camera Night Vision Pause Function with Remote Controller

This camera camcorder supports 1080p video resolution and 24.0 MP picture resolutions.

The camera supports Night Vision Function. There are two pieces of IR lights at the top of the camera lens and its working distance can reach up to ft 3m which allows you to take black-and-white photos and videos event in the dark night.

One year warranty will be provided by LINNSE and customer service will be available within 24 hours. A 1000 mAh Li-ion battery will come as standard with this package. This camcorder can support up to 32GB SD card,

Sensor: CMOS Image Resolution:File format: JPEG Max 24.0 MP

Movie ResolutionFile format: AVIFHD 1080, HD720PVGA640×480

Zoom18X digital zoom

Face CaptureYes

Beauty Faceyes

Remote Controlyes

DISYes

White BalanceAuto/Daylight/Cloudy/Tungsten/Fluorescent

Exposure:–3.0EV+3.0EV

Self-timeclose/2sec/10sec

USB PortUSB2.0

Auto power-off: Close/60sec/180sec/300sec/600sec

Monitor Screen3.0 inch LCD, 16:9, available with 270 degree rotation

Built-in MicrophoneYes

Built-in SpeakerYes

TV OutputYes, PAL/NTSC

Night visionYes Support Infrared night vision,<3M/inches

External lens: 37mm standard: wide angle lens, teleconverter lens, fisheye lens (need to be purchased separately)

Battery1000 mAh NP40 li-ion battery

Size4.37L×2.67H×1.61Winch

Weightabout 260±5g / about 9 oz

Package Dimensions 7.1 x 5.3 x 3.9 inches


4K WIFI Action Camera, $43.99

KKCITE Ultra HD Waterproof Sports Cam DVR Camcorder 17MP Wide Angle Sports Video Camera With 2.4G Remote Control/ 100 Feet Underwater and Tons of Accessories. 4K resolution : 4K25fps/ 2.7K30fps/ 1080p60fps/ 720p120fps. Photo: 12MP max. Versatile Shooting Mode: video mode, photo mode, burst photo, time lapse, and loop recording mode

Does this camera have zoom capability?

Answer:

No, it does not.

You can use 32GB micro sd card.

Charging: 5V/1A (about 2 hours)

a remote control along with an easy to use Free Wifi APP for iOS and Android phones


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To: daniel1212

It comes with 2 rechargeable batteries.


61 posted on 03/09/2018 8:42:13 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Elsie
My first one was a toy that recorded black&white on a audio tape cassette!...and you maybe got better quality pictures than I did with my ancient rig - but back in the day it allowed me to get some priceless shots and sound of my parents, sibs and young daughter that of course I'd never be able to replace with the best equipment available today.....
62 posted on 03/09/2018 9:23:04 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: daniel1212

With the ease of use, improved picture quality, and relatively low price of today’s cameras I wouldn’t even bother trying to rehabilitate something from any more than a few years ago - would probably cost much more than it was worth......


63 posted on 03/09/2018 9:26:52 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: daniel1212
Q.-----What is your ultimate goal? To shoot video to watch, unedited, on your home TV or to make YouTube or presentation videos for groups?

A-----The latter. Thanks for your interest.

With that answer you left the $60 video camera niche. More important than resolution is quality of color rendition across a broad range of lighting conditions. Cheap cams will show dark shadow areas and dim lighting with large swaths of blocks with little gradation.

Bottom line , don't buy a no name camera without having handled one in your hand and seen its output on a screen the same size as you would use in presentations.

Scan the offerings on Amazon, paying particular attention to the Q&A and reviews. This will give you a realistic feel for what is available within your budget and intended use. Bad video presentations can sink you even if what you're selling, idea or product, is sterling.

64 posted on 03/09/2018 9:53:14 PM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: smokingfrog
It comes with 2 rechargeable batteries.

But it does not say it record while charging,as the Sunlea does, while as regards Action Cams, look at this one with 4.5 out of 5 stars 2,807 customer reviews:

FITFORT Action Camera 4K WiFi Ultra HD Waterproof Sport Camera 2 Inch LCD Screen 12MP 170 Degree Wide Angle 2 Rechargeable 1050mAh Batteries Free Travel Bag Include 19 Accessories Kits

【100% 4K HD Action Camera】: Provides 4K/25FPS, 2.7K/30FPS, 1080P/60FPS, 1080P/30FPS and 720P/120FPS Video Resolution. 12MP Image Resolution & 170 Super Wide Angle Lens Delivers Skip-Free HD Video and Accurately Capture Every Epic View And Exciting Moment For You .

【Sufficient Power Supply】: Comes With 2 Rechargeable 1050mAh Battery(one in the camera, one in the box) Enables Continuous Recording Without Worry. Supports Up To 90 Minutes Recording For Each Battery.

And excerpts from the answers section: 2 3/8 " wide; 1 " deep (add 1/4" for lens thickness); 1 5/8" tall... records while charging. you charge the camera's battery and/or power the camera through the USB port . The longest record time is 320 Minutes if you choose 720P 60fps w/ a 32gb micro sd card in it, but a 64gb card CLASS 10 speed rating will work. The speed rating is very important to action camera. it has a time lapse mode.. Make sure the rear screen isn't staying on when you are filming. I get somewhere around 1 to 1.5 hours per battery. I tried the 1080 p bit the file size was huge. it doesn't include the micro SD card. It comes with a USB charging cable. adapter micro usb to aux connector.

When you charge,the blue and red light will be turn on in the same time. ,when you charge it ,the blue lights will turn on ,when you record, the red lights will turn on. Now the blue light is out ,it shows that it is fully charged You can get a couple extra batteries and a stand-alone USB charger as a free gift after you receive the camera. It t records sound. You need set up it on your settings. In the camera there is a "sound indicator" option ,choose it and you will see "volume" option ,adjust the volume to 3. remove the waterproof case when you want to record sound And it has a good quality and also has speakers. you can connect a mic to it via a adapter micro usb to aux connector.

If you plug the camera in via USB on your computer, it will show up as a flash drive. Alternatively, you can take out the microSD and use an adapter and an SD card reader to access it directly.

Turn on the camera,you can choose video resolution,press the select button then you will see 1080p(60fps),1080p(30fps),4k(25fps), then use the down button to select it. loop setting can be set to automatically overwrite and record over the old video. Press three times Power/mode to enter into Setup menu; Then select Loop recording by pressing Up/Down button. The time lapse is:2s, 3s,5s,10s,20s,30s,60s. In daylight, the videos are really nice (really, really nice). Once you start losing light, then yes, the picture becomes grainy. it takes photos, but it still will have the "fish eye" lens look to them. 4k is barely watchable with the 25fps, 1080p at 60fps is butter! can't turn off the "fishbowl" effect of photos and/or videos. ________________

Reading this makes me wary of poor video quality in less than full light, plus loss of detail due to fish bowl effect.

65 posted on 03/10/2018 2:46:51 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Thanks, but why do people then buy camcorders?

I've always wondered why they buy cauliflower!

66 posted on 03/10/2018 4:02:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Which is best?

Uh...

...don't let 'best' trip you up.

Features can be easy or hard to use; yet still are equal in the final product.

Actually holding the product in your hands can answer a lot of your questions; even some you've not thought of before.

And actually USING a product will bring quite a clarity to the picture.


Beware of just reading specs.

Way back (when I still had hair) I designed a chip into a circuit just from the specs alone.

Turns out the specs were true; just NOT at the same TIME!

High speed?

Yup!!

Waveform purity?

Yup


WHAT??!!??

That's supposed to be a SQUARE WAVE?

67 posted on 03/10/2018 4:09:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
I'm about to sew a pocket on a kite that will hold my old cell phone.

I want to get pictures of my property with a bit more resolution than GoogleEarth® gives me.

68 posted on 03/10/2018 4:11:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vermont Lt
The answer is, they don’t. Most people are now shooting video on their new generation cell phones.

Yup.

I have two of the old ones sitting on a shelf in the bedroom closet.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=606&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=H8yjWpnpIKyUjwSK5pmQAQ&q=very+small+camcorder&oq=very+small+camcorder&gs_l=psy-ab.3...46896.47969.0.48581.5.5.0.0.0.0.148.513.2j3.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.268...0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1.0.-HcrVAk776Q

69 posted on 03/10/2018 4:15:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vermont Lt
Go to a best buy or similar type big box retail store and look at what is available.

Yup!

70 posted on 03/10/2018 4:16:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

You’d be surprised at how many older camcorders showup at your local Goodwill store!


71 posted on 03/10/2018 4:18:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Probably!


72 posted on 03/10/2018 4:18:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PAR35

Ah!

Missed that.


73 posted on 03/10/2018 4:19:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AppyPappy

So true!


74 posted on 03/10/2018 4:25:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

I’ll bet you; like me; have LOADS of stuff that ought to be transferred to new technology, but have just not gotten around to it.


75 posted on 03/10/2018 4:28:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

So true!


76 posted on 03/10/2018 4:28:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Beware of just reading specs.

Thanks for the Ad-vice! Indeed. I am blessed to have built a PC using a ASRock 970 Extreme 4, mobo, a 4.2ghz 4-core AMD 4350 cpu, and 16gb ram, running W/10 pro (which cost 29.99 by way of upgrades from XP) on a SSD HD (plus a sata) but while pretty fast, and able to run with 5 browsers open, with over 400 tabs total, and a dozen documents (no games though, or malware), i thought it would be faster. Cheap (35.00) GPU likely is bottlenecking. But complain, no, thank God, who enabled me to get it thru someone, unasked.

77 posted on 03/10/2018 5:45:12 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

getting one too


78 posted on 03/10/2018 5:47:15 AM PST by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: Vermont Lt
Did you realize that a lot of movie quality video is done with SLR Cameras? The cinematic quality of the new breed of SLRs far exceeds what you can get with even a high end video camera.

I see SLR = single-lens reflex. Such info is why i asked FReepers.

Keep an open mind and try a few different things before settling on a particular type of equipment.

Yes, those SLRs are more expensive, but it all depends what level we need.

79 posted on 03/10/2018 6:33:36 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Covenantor
With that answer you left the $60 video camera niche. More important than resolution is quality of color rendition across a broad range of lighting conditions. Cheap cams will show dark shadow areas and dim lighting with large swaths of blocks with little gradation. Bottom line , don't buy a no name camera without having handled one in your hand and seen its output on a screen the same size as you would use in presentations. Scan the offerings on Amazon, paying particular attention to the Q&A and reviews. This will give you a realistic feel for what is available within your budget and intended use. Bad video presentations can sink you even if what you're selling, idea or product, is sterling.

Well, as far as reviews, if they can be believed, are very high for the models I showed, but the audio is scorned. I could try the 55.00 Sunlea which supports recording while charging, and doubles as a web came, but does not support HDMI output. It supports TV output through AV cable.

80 posted on 03/10/2018 6:34:14 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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