Posted on 03/23/2018 9:26:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Clicked on this thread just for that.
I’m pretty sure Margaret Tudor was Mary Queen of Scots’ grandmother. Mary’s mother was Mary of Guise, who was the daughter of Claude, Duke of Guise and Antoinette de Bourbon.
“As Henry VIII’s only survivign child, no one had a stronger claim than Elizabeth.”
That might be true - if she were not illegitimate. Elizabeth had plotted to gain the throne - with the aid of Thomas Seymour (the second husband of Catherine Parr who was the widow of Henry VIII) since at least 1549. Seymour was executed for this. Elizabeth refused to admit her guilt but was known to be guilty. As the daughter of a king, and having admitted no wrong doing, she was not tried or publicly punished.
If you were royalty in the 1500’s it was root hog or die. Everybody was out to grab power.
It’s estimated Henry executed between 60-70,000 to Mary’s 300
Can’t find an estimate for Liz but she was suppose to be pretty “good” at it.
History is written by the victors.
Was a good movie ‘Mary Queen of Scots’ with Vanessa Redgrave and Glenda Jackson. I got the two set with Anne of the Thousand Days with Burton and Bujold. Another good classic movie.
Her claim was arguably stronger by her advocates, no one else. Both were granddaughters of Henry VII -- himself illegitimate -- and Elizabeth was the daughter of a son, making her claim (plus the fact that she was wearing the crown) stronger. They were both Tudors from the standpoint of having those zero-to-sixty off with their heads genes.
Those sequences of dialogue were huge favorites among my geek friends back in the high school years. :^)
“Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots, was a lying adulteress who plotted with her lover to murder her husband, an intriguing new study claims.”
She was royalty.
All that was pretty much in the job description.
And from what I understand, Elizabeth wasn’t exactly a virgin queen. More like well used.
Hard not to dislike her. She embodied tyrannical Catholic rule.
That sounds like a plausible anecdote. Ironically, a few years earlier the Earl of Essex had organized a rebellion against Elizabeth to put James on the throne, but since that was before Franklin Planners, he managed to arf it up, lose, and get executed.
Consider the English Reformation the 1st Brexit.
Hey, if they hadn't been, none of us would have ancestors, because none of us would be here. :^)
Hey, Cleopatra was, uh, not a handsome woman, and yet, pop pop popular with the gentlemen, probably because she put out on the first date.
Margaret Tudor... Through her first and second marriages, respectively, Margaret was the grandmother of both Mary, Queen of Scots, and Mary's second husband, Lord Darnley.
Wiki-wacky to the rescue. Good catch!
Those numbers are bull****, but often trotted out by apologists for Bloody Mary. She earned that nickname during her short reign, and other than her own bloodthirsty zealot handful of supporters, it was a relief when she died.
“You are Mary, Queen of Scots?”
“I am.”
*Aaaaahhhh* *Aahhhhhhh* *Aahhhhhhh*.......
The *real* reason she never married:
Is this proof the Virgin Queen was an imposter in drag?
Shocking new theory about Elizabeth I unearthed in historic manuscripts
By Christopher Stevens for the Daily Mail
Published: 19:58 EDT, 7 June 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337774/Is-proof-Virgin-Queen-imposter-drag-Shocking-new-theory-Elizabeth-I-unearthed-historic-manuscripts.html
(not a new theory, been around for centuries; and btw, I’m omitting the rimshot)
No one really knows what she looked like other than a crude image on one coin AFAIK.
Lots of pics of her on this link....nothing to write home about!
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