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Jimmy Hoffa investigation: Frank Sheeran and the blood evidence we found in the case
Fox News ^ | July 30, 2018 | Eric Shawn

Posted on 07/31/2018 10:24:29 AM PDT by re_tail20

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To: Beowulf9

Your confusion is due to how the relevant clause of the 5th Amendment has been mischaracterized in popular fiction and by the media. The clause says says no person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, despite the popular misunderstanding that to take the 5th means you must be guilty. Instead, as others on this thread have already pointed out, it is intended to prevent the government from using coercion to obtain the result the state wants, whether or not it is the truth.


21 posted on 07/31/2018 12:01:26 PM PDT by Avalon Memories ( Proud Deplorable. Proud born-in-the-USA American Dreamer.)
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To: Avalon Memories

Got it.


22 posted on 07/31/2018 12:05:34 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: re_tail20

This is one of the more believable scenario’s, gunshot, cremation, all believable.


23 posted on 07/31/2018 12:07:15 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Beowulf9

By the way, the Constitution does not require a person to state the reason why they exercise their 5th Amendment right. I don’t know when or why it became a thing that people would say they take the 5th on grounds that to speak would tend to incriminate themselves. If ever I was in such a situation, I would simply say I exercise my rights under the 5th Amendment and if pressed for a reason would quote the relevant clause and point out I am not required to give a reason.


24 posted on 07/31/2018 12:09:45 PM PDT by Avalon Memories ( Proud Deplorable. Proud born-in-the-USA American Dreamer.)
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To: re_tail20

Mueller will look into it he knows the Russians must have had a hand in it.


25 posted on 07/31/2018 12:12:10 PM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Beowulf9
But if I were Jimmy Hoffa and had dealings with the mob and they did not want me to run again for president of the union I would not.

You make a good point but you have to remember that Hoffa was nothing more than a thug who thought his mob, the Teamsters, was mightier than the Italian mob and likely felt he was invincible.

Hoffa's mob just busted heads and knees while the mob used guns..........

I'd love to see this mystery come to a TRUTHFUL end and an accurate documentary made out of it.

As for DeNiro starring in a movie about this, forget it..............

26 posted on 07/31/2018 12:29:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I once found a needle in a haystack but it wasn't the one I was looking for...)
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To: Beowulf9; I-ambush; katana; T Ruth; Vermont Lt; Avalon Memories

You need to watch this video. It is worth it. Take the time.

Don’t talk to the police.
https://youtu.be/i8z7NC5sgik

That for Beowulf, the rest of you are cc’s.


27 posted on 07/31/2018 1:03:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Beowulf9

It’s the job of the government to prove you are guilty, it’s not your job to prove it for them. Without the 5th amendment, the government could just come up with all sorts of ways to coerce you into confessing, whether you were guilty or not.


28 posted on 07/31/2018 1:10:50 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Too many people confuse the Right to Remain Silent with the 5th.


29 posted on 07/31/2018 1:21:15 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: FreedomPoster

Most of the people I see using that tactic, are talking to the police. They’ll talk a while, then plead the 5th(sic), then continue talking. If you aren’t going to talk, don’t talk.

Sovereign citizens are a special kind of stupid.


30 posted on 07/31/2018 1:23:43 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: AppyPappy

Well, the right to remain silent is an extension of the right against self-incrimination in the 5th amendment, so there isn’t really much difference.


31 posted on 07/31/2018 2:18:28 PM PDT by Boogieman
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De Nero making a movie about it - it's been done, Bobby - you won't come close to this - Hoffa assassination scene.....
32 posted on 07/31/2018 2:55:23 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Boogieman

Two separate things. You can’t plead the 5th if you aren’t under oath.


33 posted on 07/31/2018 5:18:32 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I never was under the illusion that Hoffa was not as bad as the rest of them.

Had no idea there was a movie about it or coming out about it or whatever.


34 posted on 07/31/2018 5:28:51 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: AppyPappy

No, but you can assert the same constitutional right.


35 posted on 08/01/2018 7:38:04 AM PDT by Boogieman
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