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Pilots Say Boeing Didn't Tell Them About a Safety Feature Tied to a Deadly Crash
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Posted on 11/13/2018 1:42:33 PM PST by BenLurkin

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Just d-mn
1 posted on 11/13/2018 1:42:33 PM PST by BenLurkin
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So, in this case, RTFM was useless ?


2 posted on 11/13/2018 1:46:26 PM PST by csvset (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: BenLurkin

Who’s flying this plane anyway?


3 posted on 11/13/2018 1:47:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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Trouble me
4 posted on 11/13/2018 1:48:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: BenLurkin

Loss of lift, or uncontrollable plunge? hrmmm...

Putting the aircraft into a dive to regain speed across the wings without pilot input sounds like a great idea, and I agree with it, because time is off the essence in a stall situation, so I’m guessing that one of the software checks would be for available altitude, but you’d think they’d take into account the possibility of equipment failure. This is done all the time. If you go into a dive and your air speed readings don’t change, there should be a time-out on the maneuver.


5 posted on 11/13/2018 1:49:15 PM PST by z3n
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To: BenLurkin

6 posted on 11/13/2018 1:51:36 PM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: csvset

It would be WTFM


7 posted on 11/13/2018 1:53:10 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: BenLurkin

A bit more info from here:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/u-s-pilots-flying-737-max-werent-told-about-new-automatic-systems-change-linked-to-lion-air-crash/

A former Boeing executive, speaking on condition of anonymity because discussion of accident investigations is supposed to be closely held, said that Boeing engineers didn’t introduce the change to the flight-control system arbitrarily.

He said it was done primarily because the much bigger engines on the MAX changed the aerodynamics of the jet and shifted the conditions under which a stall could happen. That required further stall protection be implemented to certify the jet as safe.


8 posted on 11/13/2018 1:53:33 PM PST by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: BenLurkin

https://onemileatatime.com/boeing-737-max-safety/


9 posted on 11/13/2018 1:53:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Love her voice.


10 posted on 11/13/2018 1:55:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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This makes Boeing look bad, but Lion Air replaced the AOA sensor the day before so I think there’s going to be other causes, too.


11 posted on 11/13/2018 1:55:05 PM PST by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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This is why I’ll never buy one of the new cars that can take over your brakes and steering without your approval.....”to avoid an accident”.......a disaster waiting to happen.......nothing made by man is perfect.......


12 posted on 11/13/2018 1:55:37 PM PST by Arlis
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To: BenLurkin

There needs to be a big red button that lets the pilot take complete control without the benefit of the computer.


13 posted on 11/13/2018 1:58:21 PM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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Give me a good old-fashioned stall warning, and I’ll push the nose down myself.


14 posted on 11/13/2018 1:58:40 PM PST by Rio
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The the s/w gurus, plane performance managers and safety engineering use any FMEA type analysis?


15 posted on 11/13/2018 2:01:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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Compare this to sudden acceleration in Toyota’s.

For all of you fly by wire fans. Your new system sucks.


16 posted on 11/13/2018 2:08:30 PM PST by Revel
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By the time that Boeing gets done paying out on the lawsuits for this one then they just may be out of business.


17 posted on 11/13/2018 2:10:05 PM PST by Revel
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To: BenLurkin; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ..
The Lionair pilot was grossly incompetent.

18 posted on 11/13/2018 2:10:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Arlis

My wife’s Rav 4 has Toyota’s Safety System. It is mostly good.

In one instance while driving on a eight lane freeway section some idiot crossed from the left lane across the 4 northbound lanes to make an exit on the right he was apparently missing. The car braked before I even saw the idiot crossing in front of us.

On the other hand in some conditions the radar controlled cruise control will slow the Rav 4 as the car ahead is exiting on an off ramp. If has to do with the cruise control uses the fog lines to focus on the car ahead. If the fog line is not continued at the exit the cruise continues to follow the car as it exits and slows


19 posted on 11/13/2018 2:13:02 PM PST by UB355 (Slower tAraffic keep right)
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This makes Boeing look bad...

IMHO, This makes Boeing look negligent.

20 posted on 11/13/2018 2:13:45 PM PST by FtrPilot
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