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Anyone Have Their Head in the Sand Still? (Market is Being Pushed Down)
12-17-18 | Self

Posted on 12/17/2018 3:17:03 PM PST by CincyRichieRich

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To: CincyRichieRich
Does anyone think the market isn't being tanked to prepare for 2020?

Even if what you opine is true, what do you plan on doing? Sell short and make money.

You are reacting to a sharp market drop, and see conspiracy under every pillow.

I have no way of knowing what is going on, but selling short is not against the law.

21 posted on 12/17/2018 3:36:14 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke all mooselimb terrorists, today.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

You are professionally engaged in managing investment dollars for other people? For 30 yrs?


22 posted on 12/17/2018 3:36:19 PM PST by Professional
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To: CincyRichieRich
I am usually the most optimistic one here. 500+ points per day off the market ad infinitum is scary. They are really in charge. I'm not apologizing for posting a vanity. This thread is needed; I hope someone can pull me out of this pit.

I've had the same thoughts since last month's elections, awful lot of money in the pockets of the Trump haters and it's way above my pay grade to figure out if the markets are being manipulated. But I do feel something very strange is going on.
23 posted on 12/17/2018 3:37:05 PM PST by ratzoe
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To: CincyRichieRich

What would Wall Street be like if there was no such thing as a hedge fund? Hedge Fund seems anti-American to me.


24 posted on 12/17/2018 3:37:45 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Bon mots

If we don’t get away from this zero percent interest, there will be no cushion to boost the economy the next recession.


25 posted on 12/17/2018 3:38:01 PM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: M. Thatcher

Wall Street vs Main Street.


26 posted on 12/17/2018 3:39:09 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Baynative

The obsession over the Dow Jones Industrial Average sure does seem like historic folly to me.


27 posted on 12/17/2018 3:40:57 PM PST by teevolt
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To: CincyRichieRich

Bimgo they are losing money to hurt Trump.


28 posted on 12/17/2018 3:40:59 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Would have people jumping out of windows,

What should I do? My window is only 2 feet off the ground. That ain't gonna help.

29 posted on 12/17/2018 3:41:17 PM PST by BipolarBob (Have a McClane Christmas : "Now I have a machine gun HO-HO - HO".)
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To: CincyRichieRich

30 years and you don’t remember 32 years ago! 1986?
Bueller. Bueller......


30 posted on 12/17/2018 3:42:54 PM PST by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

You won’t get any help from me. There is just about nobody, including the lame stream media, that does not say this does not make sense. Just listening to ABC news and even they are saying it does not make sense in view of a good economy and no really bad things in view. There is the yield curve change .

All it takes is one person to yell fire in a crowded theatre to cause a panic. I think that is what is going on. Nothing else makes sense to me. I also think it is part of a setup to bury Trump.

I wish I could say that Wall Street had better be careful or they will run investors away for a long time but where woudl they go?

It is a mess. I’m clinging to the edge of the same pit you are in.


31 posted on 12/17/2018 3:43:06 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaged our dreams for survival. We just ha va few days that don't suck.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Why do gamblers go through cold streaks? The stock market is an international gambling casino.


32 posted on 12/17/2018 3:43:52 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: M. Thatcher

You are really missing out if you don’t regularly read the brilliant analysis at Conservative Treehouse on this issue.
“Everything happening in/around the financial markets is very predictable when you focus on understanding the principles of Main Street MAGAnomics”
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Some of it I agree with and can see...some is simply too Qish.

The tanking started and MSM appeared ready and shouted recession...

PDJT touted the stock market values...and acted as if he didn’t see this coming. These two points contradict the CTH/Sundance theory.

Sundance almost is saying PDJT is causing the tanking, and that is good, because it will be better in long run. For this to be true, PDJT would not be yelling at Jerome Powell...well, he is yelling at him.

PDJT would have prepared us for said tanking and furthermore, Q likely would have, too.

I can’t buy into it as much as I’d like to, because both things cannot be simultaneously true...


33 posted on 12/17/2018 3:44:27 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (PDJT, please re-teach the nation that crony capitalism is not capitalism!)
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To: Bon mots

8 years of Obama at 0% Fed Funds rate.

Trump gets in; suddenly we are going to 3%

This is orchestrated.
...
Thanks...at least you get it.


34 posted on 12/17/2018 3:45:25 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (PDJT, please re-teach the nation that crony capitalism is not capitalism!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

The more sorozNazi and nuts like Stryer lose, the better.


35 posted on 12/17/2018 3:45:50 PM PST by faithhopecharity (COrr)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Oh yeah the feds want a crash.


36 posted on 12/17/2018 3:46:53 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: proxy_user

This is about what you would expect, if you understand how trading has been in the past ten years. The massive overvaluation we have had was dependent on rock-bottom interest rates.

If you don’t have rock-bottom interest rates, then stocks will have to stand on their own two feet. That is not going to happen at these valuations.

Over the past 10 years, capital has been grossly misallocated into financial-engineering trades that provide high returns at little risk. As these trades unwind, that will put selling pressure on stocks.

What happens when stocks start to go down? Hedge funds and institutional traders who bought on the dips and shorted the VIX will lose their shirt. When they need money to pay their creditors and meet margin calls, they will have to sell all their stocks, good and bad. That’s how the cleansing cycle of the market works. It is painful in the short term, unless you happen to have cash and can buy good companies at low prices..

That all sounds if devoid of globalists and cronies over those 10 yrs, but not so.

The hedgies have a scape goat if they trigger each other’s sell points, like orchestrated dominoes...all they have to do is blame Trump’s policies, and the MSM backs them up on their high brow NPR programs. Then, they get PDJT out of there and make more $$$ with crony/socialist/fascist structures in place. Sorry, you are thusly wrong. Your premise fails.


37 posted on 12/17/2018 3:50:16 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (PDJT, please re-teach the nation that crony capitalism is not capitalism!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I too am not feeling very good at all about Trump pulling an out an ace. It is hard to go on much of an offense when you are alone and under siege. As I said in the previous post. They are out to bury Trump and if they destroy us at the same time... so what.

Interesting thing about being a billionaire, there is always enough to manage. They always have more than they can spend. A 50% loss for some is a disaster and for others it is a 50% loss and there will still be enough. Not so with most of us who are working all our lives to build just enough for retirement or have already done that.

Trump’s MO has always been to regroup and recover but eventually you run out of will, energy or time or all three. Eventually, you run out of enough tomorrows.


38 posted on 12/17/2018 3:50:20 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaged our dreams for survival. We just ha va few days that don't suck.)
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To: sparklite2

S&P closed ‘98 at 1229, today at 2545, or 3.7% annual rate of return for the last 20.


39 posted on 12/17/2018 3:50:26 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

If it is being tanked to prepare for 2020, they are starting too soon. They should hold their water another 10 months. I personally think the downturn is part correction and part the chicken littles pulling out until the shutdown is resolved.


40 posted on 12/17/2018 3:50:58 PM PST by OrangeHoof (CNN - the most busted name in news.)
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