Posted on 03/21/2019 6:30:28 AM PDT by BenLurkin
thiopian Airlines was ahead of its competitors in implementing the simulator to train would-be pilots of the new plane, according to reports. Yared Getachew, co-pilot of Flight 302, had taken a course on another simulator as recently as October, but not one specifically designated for the Max 8, The New York Times reported, citing someone familiar with Ethiopian Airlines.
The source told the Times that Getachew was not due for another training until after the crash.
Flight 302, much like Indonesia’s Lion Air flight, which crashed in October, likely failed after its automated "anti-stall" system inadvertently pushed the plane’s nose downward. A cockpit recording indicates that the pilots weren’t able to fix the problem. U.S. officials are probing why pilot manuals did not address the feature, Reuters reported.
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Easier to blame Trump.
The news last night was the FBI is now investigating the aircraft certification procedure.
“likely failed after its automated “anti-stall” system inadvertently pushed the plane’s nose downward.”
It wasn’t inadvertent. It functioned exactly as designed.
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Ahhhh, airplane is airplane....
But part of the issue was that Boeing tried to make sure that MAX-specific training wasn't required, but that the MAX kept the same pilot 'type rating' with earlier 737s.
Only a brief cockpit familiarization course was to be required.
FR scholars nailed what the problem is the day after the accident. I wonder if a complex system with significant modifications will inevitably fail at some point.
The Third World strikes again
Pilot error. Being up to date on training is the pilots responsibility.
It seems so straight-forward from the US pilots’ reporting of similar incidents. Just disengage the autopilot and fly the aircraft. Is there something wrong with the sensor? Or are the flight dynamics such that the hardware thinks stall on a climb and the software fix is to disregard the signal based on other indicators? What will be telling will be the actions taken by the flight crew to try to solve the problem.
Does anyone have data on how often this problem occurred on these planes? How often have the same circumstances(that crashed the 2 planes)been encountered and addressed successfully in flight? One crash is too many, however, how many flights have been completed by this product? Is the failure rate 2 in 1000, 2 in 5000, 2 in 10,000? What airline has the largest fleet of this model? Have they encountered this same problem?
Gravity. Pretty heavy.
I had a pilot instructor tell me that pilot error begins long before take off.
I would recommend one change to your statement. The problem is not the autopilot, but the MCAS, a trim adjustment system. The autopilot is not engaged until the airplane reaches 10000 feet, but the MCAS engages automatically if it senses that a stall situation exists. The crew can disengage the MCAS system using two switches that sit between the pilots. Those switches have been in the same place on the 737 since it was first introduced. Pilots and other real experts (not me) can correct my remarks.
And he would be absolutely Correct!
I towed this T28 from my friends hangar to transient Parking on last Thursday because someone was coming to pick it up, the Pilot showed up at 6 and took off shortly thereafter for Compton/Woodley Airport. here is the Video the Owner of the plane took as he was coming in to land.
Pilot training may be a issue — particularly comparing Ehtiopia to America. However, Boeing was the one claiming that new flight training was not required, and had a big marketing message that their new planes flew just like the old ones. The only required training was a one-hour video that didn’t even mention the MCAS.
“I would recommend one change to your statement. The problem is not the autopilot, but the MCAS, a trim adjustment system. The autopilot is not engaged until the airplane reaches 10000 feet, but the MCAS engages automatically if it senses that a stall situation exists. The crew can disengage the MCAS system using two switches that sit between the pilots. Those switches have been in the same place on the 737 since it was first introduced. Pilots and other real experts (not me) can correct my remarks.”
Centurion316, very well said except the statement “Those switches have been in the same place on the 737 since it was first introduced.” No such system existed on the early 737s.
Certainly the MCAS did not exist, but according to 737 rated pilots, trim adjustment cut off switches have been.
The excuse is now the FAA was understaffed. Hello, Obama, can you here me now?
You are correct, but Boeing is still going to get the lions share of the blame, some of it deserved.
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