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On this date in 1943

Posted on 01/31/2020 3:51:19 AM PST by Bull Snipe

German Field Marshal Fredrick Paulus surrenders to Soviet forces in Stalingrad. Two days later, the last remnants of the German 6th Army would also surrender to the Soviets. The 6 month Battle of Stalingrad was over. The cost of the Soviet victory was staggering. Over 1,129,000 Soviet soldiers killed missing or wounded. Also lost, 2,700 aircraft, 4,300 tanks and 15,000 artillery pieces. The Germans and their allies lost 868,000 men, 900 aircraft, 3,100 tanks and 5,700 artillery pieces. Of the 91,000 German prisoners captured by the Soviets, fewer than 6,000 would live to return to Germany. The Wikipedia article on the Battle of Stalingrad is a good recap of this titanic struggle.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: paulus; stalingrad
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1 posted on 01/31/2020 3:51:19 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Stalingrad was brutal combat. No quarter was given in the battle.


2 posted on 01/31/2020 3:57:49 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

a fight to the death for both sides.


3 posted on 01/31/2020 4:05:26 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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“Of the 91,000 German prisoners captured by the Soviets, fewer than 6,000 would live to return to Germany.”

What happened to the other 85,000 Germans?


4 posted on 01/31/2020 4:14:38 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Heaven has a wall and gates. Hell has open borders.)
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To: Rennes Templar

They died.


5 posted on 01/31/2020 4:15:49 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Bull Snipe

When Winter comes I often think of the conflict on the Eastern Front and the Battle of the Bulge. To be in bitter cold for so long is a testimony to the toughness of the men who fought on both sides of the battles.


6 posted on 01/31/2020 4:16:58 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Rennes Templar

They joined adolf in hell?


7 posted on 01/31/2020 4:17:27 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: Rennes Templar
What happened to the other 85,000 Germans?

They ended up on the Clinton kill list.

8 posted on 01/31/2020 4:27:19 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Bull Snipe

I have read history pretty much my entire life (in fact, my degree is in History), and I’ve read scores of books and articles on Operation Barbarossa, and in particular the Battle of Stalingrad. Brutal is too weak a word for that carnage.


9 posted on 01/31/2020 4:57:28 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

All for the whims of one man.


10 posted on 01/31/2020 5:08:33 AM PST by MGunny (l)
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To: ealgeone

The German invasion of Russia started on June 22, 1941.

“When Barbarossa commences, the world will hold its breath and make no comment!”
Adolf Hitler

Operation Barbarossa was the name for Germany’s invasion of Russia. It commenced on June 22, 1941. It was the biggest invasion in history. The numbers boggle the mind.

Over the course of the operation, about four million Axis powers personnel, the largest invasion force in the history of warfare, invaded the western Soviet Union along a 1,800 mile front. In addition to troops, the Wehrmacht employed some 600,000 motor vehicles, and between 600,000 and 700,000 horses for non-combat operations. The offensive marked an escalation of the war, both geographically and in the formation of the Allied coalition.

This was Hitler’s greatest blunder, resulting in the destruction of the Third Reich by Spring of 1945. Hitler boasted of a thousand year Reich. But due to Barbarossa and D-Day the Third Reich lasted only twelve.

Within a single week, German forces advanced 200 miles into Soviet territory, destroyed nearly 4,000 aircraft, and killed, captured, or wounded some 600,000 Red Army troops. To give some perspective we lost around 400,000 during the entire war.

Germany suffered a million military casualties, Russia 4,973,820 (with civilians, 26.6 million Soviet lives were lost), 1,129,619 of which were lost at Stalingrad, the bloodiest battle in history. Make no mistake, the Red Army bled the Germans white.

Americans can justifiably be proud of our role in World War II. But Russian children are proud to learn of the battle of Stalingrad (1942-1943), the great tank battle of Kursk (1943) and the breaking of the siege of Leningrad (1944) as moments that turned the tide of the war. For good reason the Russians call it “The Great Patriotic War.”

Marshall Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov was Stalin’s top general. Hard to imagine Russia winning without him. He never lost a battle. He once said, “It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army.”

Not to be preachy but I’ll close with a quote from Malcolm Muggeridge:

“The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.”


11 posted on 01/31/2020 5:11:10 AM PST by donaldo
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Long live the memory of General Vasily Ivanovich Chuikov and the Soviet 62nd Army.

This tribute should not be construed as an attempt to denigrate the roll of the US or any other Soviet ally during WW II. Far from it. But make no mistake, it was the Red Army that bled the Germans white. Russian losses were staggering. They lost more soldiers at Stalingrad than we lost during the entire war.


12 posted on 01/31/2020 5:12:48 AM PST by donaldo
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To: Rennes Templar

Todt im Osten


13 posted on 01/31/2020 5:45:47 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: ought-six

I have read history pretty much my entire life (in fact, my degree is in History), and I’ve read scores of books and articles on Operation Barbarossa, and in particular the Battle of Stalingrad. Brutal is too weak a word for that carnage.


I read “Enemy at the Gates” many years ago. The book bears little relation to the (awful) movie, except for the fact that they are both about Stalingrad. Yeah, it was very bad. You know its bad when your troops bash open the heads of their horses to eat the brains (for the excellent protein).


14 posted on 01/31/2020 5:46:03 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: donaldo

Marshal Chuikov is the only MSU not buried in the Kremlin. His wish was to repose near the men that had served him at Stalingrad. His grave is near Mamamayv Kurgan Memorial in Volgograd.

The 62nd was refitted and retitled 8th Guards Army in 1943.
Two years later some its soldiers would raise the Sickle and Hammer flag over the Reichstag in Berlin. After the war, 8th Guards stayed in German until 1990.


15 posted on 01/31/2020 5:55:12 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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The definite turning point in the war for the Wehrmacht. They would launch one more offensive in July 1943 against the Red Army at Kursk. It failed too. After that it was a long slow retreat all the way to Berlin.


16 posted on 01/31/2020 5:55:13 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: Rennes Templar
What happened to the other 85,000 Germans?

They died in Soviet labor camps. Of malnutrition, of exposure, of various and sundry other ailments. I had a German colleague whose father was a POW in the Soviet Union; he didn't come home until 1951.

17 posted on 01/31/2020 5:57:30 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: donaldo

“This was Hitler’s greatest blunder”.
I disagree. Hitler, and the Germans in general, biggest mistake was the incredible brutality leveled on the people of the invaded countries. The Germans gave them two options, yield to the Germans and die or fight and maybe live to avenge yourself.


18 posted on 01/31/2020 6:01:39 AM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: ought-six
...and in particular the Battle of Stalingrad.

Stalingrad was Case Blue, and the initial objective was to take the Caucasus oil fields. The Battle of Stalingrad was stumbled into. And the Germans were at the end of a 1500 mile supply line. Hitler was warned they could be cut off and surrounded. He ignored those warnings. Paulus was only promoted Field Marshal near the end. Hitler expected him to kill himself. Instead he lived to a ripe old age in what became East Germanny (the DDR).

19 posted on 01/31/2020 6:02:33 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Put to hard labor and short rations, often in places like Siberia, quartered in inadequate shelter, given little to no medical support, supervised by people that didn’t care much if the prisoners lived or died - and often would prefer that they died - and worked to death.

It was hard, brutal and bluntly inhumane. But it wasn’t much worse than what the Germans themselves did to the Russians and others, both military and civilian, in their push east. Ivan, it turns out, has a surprisingly long memory and is a very good hater if you exceed his rules of conduct; the surrendered Germans found out *all* about that the hard way.


20 posted on 01/31/2020 6:28:56 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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