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The Final Countdown Todays US Navy Carrier In WWII Question Vanity
02-12-2020 | Setter

Posted on 02/12/2020 1:07:24 PM PST by setter

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To: setter

I always wondered if an infrared missile would work on a Zero. Anyhow, here’s some pictures - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChU-mGeBaM


41 posted on 02/12/2020 1:47:35 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: StoneRainbow68

—One flub of the movie. The Senator who was on the armed appropriations committee never asked why there was a black officer on the bridge.-—

I’m sure he was thinking how it didn’t make sense, but there were a lot of unfamiliar things vying for his attention. A black guy on the bridge wouldn’t have been in the top ten of things that were messing with his mind at that time.

An F-14 or a Navy helicopter would be higher on the list.


42 posted on 02/12/2020 1:47:49 PM PST by StoneRainbow68
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To: aomagrat

Ya, a jet can run on diesel.


43 posted on 02/12/2020 1:48:59 PM PST by Pocketdoor
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To: Repeal The 17th

That ship was in a storm. It’s stern changed in elevation by about 30-40 feet from one wave to the next. “Seven guys bolted” means they “skipped” or missed the wire (arresting gear) and had to go around for another try.


44 posted on 02/12/2020 1:50:43 PM PST by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: DesertRhino

Dont forget the main premise
Of a new movie:

War with Japan would be
Caused by US policy in Pacific (sanctions)


45 posted on 02/12/2020 1:53:51 PM PST by tm61 (Election 2012: we find it IS possible, to polish a turd.)
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To: hanamizu

Had the Japanese spared the fleet and bombed the fuel tanks (only significant fuel stores west of California) they might have got their negotiated peace.


46 posted on 02/12/2020 1:55:15 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: xrmusn

Funny aside: according to a later Hanna Barbera cartoon (Harvey Birdman) the Jetsons was set in 2002 at the series start. Grandpa was a young man in the 1960s.


47 posted on 02/12/2020 1:57:34 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: GreyHoundSailor
"Every three days we’d take on 2.5 to 3 million gallons of JP-5."

Was that during "normal" operations?
I can't imagine what she'd suck down during combat ops!

48 posted on 02/12/2020 1:57:39 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again".)
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To: StoneRainbow68
Yep.

I have always maintained that the stupidest move of the war was Hitler declaring war on the US.

There was a really good chance that the US would have ignored Europe and concentrated on beating Japan to a bloody pulp. Which would not have been easy. We would have hit the main islands of Japan before the Atomic Bombs would have been ready and it would have been a meat grinder. We would have won but we would have taken horrendous losses.

By that time the Nazi's would have had time to take the UK. We would no longer be sending them supplies because we needed them for our own war.

And no, there was no pact that said Germany had to declare war on us. You might notice that Japan never declared war on the USSR.

49 posted on 02/12/2020 1:58:23 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

And no, there was no pact that said Germany had to declare war on us.


Hitler was loyal to his allies—well, except for the USSR. He came to Italy’s rescue in the Balkans and North Africa and he declared war on the US within a few days of Pearl Harbor. Yes, we were actively messing with Germany’s U-Boat actions, but like Japan’s attacking us, Hitler declaring war on us was stupid.


50 posted on 02/12/2020 2:04:53 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: DesertRhino

Yes, but basically is not exactly, at least necessarily anymore. Who knows what they add these days and for what reasons? Maybe it still is just kerosene as it was in the 60s and 70s.

On the bright side the modern carrier wouldn’t have nearly the fire issues that the old aviation gas carriers had (it now seems it may have been a gas fume explosion that doomed Lady Lex, at least based on what they saw when examining her wreckage).

Wouldn’t matter much with only the on hand replacement parts for high performance engines.


51 posted on 02/12/2020 2:05:01 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

—By that time the Nazi’s would have had time to take the UK. We would no longer be sending them supplies because we needed them for our own war.-—

Hanson’s book and his YouTube lectures related to it have a lot to say about that.

What’s amazing is that we were like two countries, the east and west coasts basically fighting a two-front war at the same time. Our industrial output was incredible, and once it got going there was no way we were going to lose that war to anyone. The Nazis and Japanese had no capability to hit our industrial centers in any way.

Goering even asked Hitler, “Mein Fuhrer, how will we hit Detroit?” He had no idea and no way to do it. The Germans didn’t even have the amphibious capability to successfully invade England. Their surface fleet was crap. They had no carriers and no 4-engine bombers.

Winston wasn’t letting Gerry on his island, and we never would have stopped helping the British. We were more than capable of doing multiple things at once.


52 posted on 02/12/2020 2:06:06 PM PST by StoneRainbow68
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To: setter

There wasn’t any GPS when they made the movie.


53 posted on 02/12/2020 2:11:35 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!z)
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To: hanamizu
There were tankers, but 3/4's or so got assigned to the European Theater.

Hence, the paucity of BBs in most of the early battles around Guadalcanal. Or as somebody put it, once navies started steaming into battle, fuel became a factor.

There was a recent posting about the Russo-Japanese War, and "The Voyage of the Damned" (see U2B for whole sad trip), the second Russian fleet to fight against the Japanese. For some strange reason, the Russians didn't fill up on coal before making the final leg to Vladivostok. Japan had its spies, and the IJN admiral correctly guessed that the czarists were going to have to take the shorter route, so he was able to stage the majority of his ships accordingly.

During WWI, the fairly new oil-fired USS Arizona was limited to the Eastern US seaboard because the Brits were still coal-based, and were incapable of refueling it (as well as the threat of U-boats.)

54 posted on 02/12/2020 2:12:32 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Seruzawa

“There wasn’t any GPS when they made the movie.”

My question was regarding modern day carriers and it was answered. We would be fine.


55 posted on 02/12/2020 2:13:06 PM PST by setter
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To: Seruzawa

—There wasn’t any GPS when they made the movie.-—

Right. What we have to remember is that we are just as far away from the 1980 USS Nimitz as the Nimitz was from the attack on Pearl Harbor. Forty years.

Time really flies.


56 posted on 02/12/2020 2:13:51 PM PST by StoneRainbow68
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To: Ancesthntr
I think that you are referring to “1632” series by Eric Flint - which was very entertaining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1632_series

The first 2 novels in the series are available for free download at Baen.com. Lots of cool implications in the 1632 universe.

57 posted on 02/12/2020 2:14:15 PM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: setter

The Japanese Navy would be an oil slick. And some life vests floating on the surface.


58 posted on 02/12/2020 2:14:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: StoneRainbow68

In 1980 why wouldn’t there be black officers in the Navy? There most certainly were.


59 posted on 02/12/2020 2:15:01 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!z)
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To: StoneRainbow68

“You’d have to go hard and end it quickly, which they would be capable of doing.”


If you coordinated it with our WW2 forces well enough, the technological advantage would do to the Germans and Japanese what we did to Iraq in 1991 and 2003, just more so. First, we would blind them. Then use SigInt to find their HQs, and shoot up their General Staffs. Destroy key rail links, jam communications, blow up their oil fields in a single raid with no losses, attack Hitler and Tojo wherever they were...yeah, it could be done, but our WW2 forces would be very, very far behind our modern forces. The coordination for such disparate capabilities would be a nightmare.


60 posted on 02/12/2020 2:15:54 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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