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1 posted on 06/04/2020 4:35:38 PM PDT by SteveH
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Each contractor should write their own contract.


2 posted on 06/04/2020 4:43:35 PM PDT by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? -Homer Simpson)
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Are you really serious?

If you have to ask, you are in over your head already.

I’m serious.


3 posted on 06/04/2020 4:44:03 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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Two contractors will point their fingers at each other if something goes wrong. But it will be you left with a costly problem. Find someone licensed and insured who can do the full job.


4 posted on 06/04/2020 4:44:16 PM PDT by coaster123 (Virus = First Plane Strikes Tower)
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You are making it too complex. Write a contract with each. When one contract is completed to your satisfaction tell the other guy to start. The two can talk and coordinate with each other,too.

For a job that small you might not find guys willing to put up with a lot of bs in a contract.


5 posted on 06/04/2020 4:45:14 PM PDT by shelterguy
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I would recommend starting a contract by creating what I call a "what-if" document - before even looking at any contract language. The what-if doc is a list of all the things that you can possibly thing of that could come up. I would then ask others for their own list of what-ifs.

Then I would find on the Internet a contract that seems to be a good fit for such a project, and tweak the language to make sure it addresses all the what-if's (and also changing other things, of course, such as legal jurisdiction, compensation, etc.).

I would also expect the contractor to request some amendments before signing.

7 posted on 06/04/2020 4:45:34 PM PDT by The Duke (President Trump = America's Last, Best Chance)
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Never mind. I see that you are in kelifornia.

Too much local madness has rubbed off on your psyche.

The best thing you can do is flee while you still have enough of a brain to do that.


8 posted on 06/04/2020 4:45:35 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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Try legalzoom.com


9 posted on 06/04/2020 4:45:45 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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PS, can you actually get anything done for $5K there? Oh yeah, mesicans. Never mind again.


10 posted on 06/04/2020 4:46:36 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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Have one contract
Single source of responsibility. A general contractor. ...bonded and insured. ....let him worry about the logistics.

Your engineering drawings tell the story.
Don’t forget about clean up, backfill, sod, etc.....restore property to original conditions. .... Yada Yada. ...


11 posted on 06/04/2020 4:51:58 PM PDT by redshawk ( I want my red balloon. ( https://youtu.be/V12H2mteniE))
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One contract. Let the Primary sub out the facing. Happens every day.


13 posted on 06/04/2020 4:52:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Sign one contract with the guy doing the bigger project, and have him retain the other as a subcontractor. It’s much cleaner that way. If they won’t work that way — and they may not because it’s a small job to go through all that — then you need to find a general contractor who can do the whole job.


15 posted on 06/04/2020 4:56:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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Specify the goal of each project, and measurements that show how success of reaching the goals can be achieved or demonstrated to you. If they must work together/concurrently to meet your goals, specify that planning and work with the other contractor will be necessary for success, with the name and contact information if the other contractor...in each contract. Suggest that each contract specify that each contractor must have a successful review of their design and plans with you before they build. Both contractors may need to be present at both design reviews before either can build (the contractors may agree to that before signing each contract). Specify when any payments may be made (possibly one payment after the design review, to cover material purchase costs, and final payments after satisfactory construction and completion of punch lists, to your satisfaction).

Example of goal: “Sidewalk traversing from Point A to Point B at (street address of location) constructed of (type materials) that can handle (type of activity, such as movement of people weighing up to 350 pounds and wheeled equipment weighing up to 500 pounds) without suffering damage, in all seasons in the (geographic area), in temperatures between (extreme temperature range of the geographic area such as -30° F to 105° F). The material used shall be (color). The construction and materials shall comply with (Home Owner Association name) covenants, Codes for (County Name), and shall comply with (industry name) industry best practices.”

Hope this helps. Good luck!


16 posted on 06/04/2020 4:57:11 PM PDT by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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Get a construction manager.


24 posted on 06/04/2020 5:21:13 PM PDT by HIDEK6 ( God bless Donald Trump.)
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If the jobs were separate bids, then each contractor should write their own contract-that would be the best way to make sure both jobs are coordinated by their respective contractor as far as time, delivery of materials, labor etc are concerned-and whatever you do, please don’t try to be an on-site supervisor of the job-if you want to do that, be your own contractor and hire some laborers to supervise yourself-you contracted with others to do the job because you don’t want to be in the middle of it-good luck with your wall-hope it looks great...


30 posted on 06/04/2020 5:28:55 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys-you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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Step One: Create precise drawings and specifications, that depict every aspect of the job as you want it done. This will necessarily include details for brick ledge at the bottom and ties embedded in the concrete at specified intervals. Show how the wall ties to known fixed objects for correct lateral positioning and height.
Step Two: Create a contract with the concrete sub for everything the concrete person needs to do, using the drawing and specs as an Exhibit. Use can even mark everything they are to do with a “C” on the plans. State specifically that the concrete contractor is to coordinate with the brick contractor before starting to make sure everything lays out properly, etc. Provide for brick guy to inspect and accept the wall before the concrete gut is considered done.
Step Three: Same as above for Bricks. Mark his/her part with a “B” and use as an Exhibit. Require the brick sub to coordinate with the concrete guy before the fact, and to inspect and accept the concrete guy’s product within x days of notification.

Those who cheap out the cost or effort to have clear and complete plans and specs (and many folks are capable of doing them themselves), have the privilege of blaming themselves when the project turns into a disaster.

Never let Contractors write their own Contracts. They will NOT have your interests in mind. You can find reasonably good docs on the internet and customize them to your circumstances.


33 posted on 06/04/2020 5:36:35 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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Look for a person with the title of application engineer.... this person will write the scope and bid documents.... this person will not be cheap, but the division of labor will be clear.... ( my title before retirement was application engineer) ..


36 posted on 06/04/2020 5:43:47 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Communists Need To Be Eliminated)
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I take it you know little about the law and less about concrete and brick work.

I will make a comment about the law. If you are not an attorney, do NOT attempt to write any contract. Consult an attorney who is experienced in contract law as it applies to construction in your state. If you allow each contractor to write his/her own contract, have an attorney review both contracts before you sign them. And make certain you understand all the clauses in the contracts in each contract.

Here are some comments on modern construction techniques. Your probably do not need the brick layers. You probably are dealing with the wrong concrete pouring company. There are any number of concrete pouring companies that pour concrete into forms that create retaining walls that look like laid brick without all the problems associated with a poured concrete wall with a brick wall in front of it. Both will move independently. The brick wall is more likely to deteriorate because of all the mortared joints.

You need to Bing the terms “Stonemakers”, “Stone Makers”, “Poured Concrete Artisans”, “Poured Concrete Brick Walls”, etc. My wife and I had a poured rock retaining wall installed to prevent erosion on our property in Massachusetts. There were boulders that were natural they construction people left in place. People could not tell which stones were real and which were concrete.

The real poured concrete professionals are able to stain the concrete to make it look like real stone or real brick by blasting the concrete with various ground stone products.

I believe the contractor we used was originally from New Mexico and then moved to New Hampshire. I think his company name is StoneMakers Artisans or something similar to that. He can probably put you in contact with upstanding Stonemakers in your area.


42 posted on 06/04/2020 7:00:10 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I miss Don Imus!)
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Skip the project and use the money for guns and ammo.


43 posted on 06/04/2020 7:06:47 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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Do just one contract for the whole project .
Find someone to do it all


44 posted on 06/04/2020 7:08:38 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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Micromanaging the experts is almost always a bad deal...you tell them what you want, they write the contract and you read it and ask questions if something isn’t clear...the brick people look at the end product and tell the concrete people what sort of “base’ they need to do their job...the concrete people frame/reinforce/pour the concrete.


55 posted on 06/05/2020 3:07:13 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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