Posted on 06/27/2020 8:34:23 AM PDT by ransomnote
Can you admit they can lessen the viral load
Let’s say someone with Covid sneezes around me even with my face shield and my mask..which is usually not n95 unless going to the Dr or hospital
I accept that there is no way for me to 100% be sure no virus will get in...especially since I am not an expert of removal of said items and will surely jack something up
Can you admit that the gear will likely lessen the viral load.
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, Orange County (California) residents turned out en masse to the Board of Supervisors meeting to protest the mandatory mask order. At the meeting the health officer provided zero medical-scientific data that mandatory mask-wearing was safe, particularly during summertime high temperatures, or in the context of young children - nor could he provide any study showing mask-wearing is effective at containing viral transmission in order to combat the myriad studies showing it is NOT effective at viral containment.At the meeting numerous doctors, attorneys, educators, psychologists, parents, and concerned residents cited medical studies on the harms from mask-wearing. So upset were these residents by the failure of the health officer to rescind the medically-unsubstantiated mandatory mask order - which intransigent position also drew hours of heavy fire from the Supervisors - or even to provide any studies showing efficacy of mask-wearing, that the residents proceeded to go outside onto the steps of the County Hall, at noon, in the 100 degree heat, and put on the "mandated masks" while using a Pulse Oximeter to measure their oxygen levels and heart rate.
The results were nothing short of horrifying:
ALL of the individuals had their oxygen rate drop from a healthy 98 or 99% (without the mask) - a total of five, ten, and sometimes twenty full points - within a few minutes of mask-wearing. Medically, below 92% is considered "dangerous" - while below 90% oxygen merits a denomination of "hypoxemic" The AVERAGE drop of these OC residents in oxygenation was more than 12 points, into the hypoxemic range.
Two of the participants, one a very fit daily runner, and one a very fit nurse, had their oxygen rates drop into the 70s - where organ damage, systems failure, and death can occur. ALL participants suffered dangerous drops in oxygen: 43% fell into the "dangerous" zone, 29% in the hypoxemic zone, and 29% fell into the extremely dangerous hypoxemic zone (where cardiac arrest, organ failure and death occur.) Even those who just stood around in the masks doing absolutely nothing had frightening drops in oxygen levels. As context, most of the participants were in decently good health, and not overweight. I'm sure I don't need to extrapolate for the reader what could happen if this test were performed with an average cross section of citizens, i.e., with the nearly 40% of OC residents who suffer from at least one chronic health condition, and with the more than 20% of OC residents who are obese. It is a striking juxtaposition to note that Medicare and most insurance companies will pay for people with oxygen rates of less than 88% to get supplemental oxygen and all carriers and health experts advise you to seek immediate medical intervention below 88% - and the average oxygen rate was two points less than that at 86% after only a few minutes of mask-wearing.
Given the data from yesterday, let me underscore once more in no uncertain terms, and in language that is absolutely unmistakable: the liability that an OC School District or Board will be facing if it mandates mask-wearing for students or teachers is truly incalculable, in the event the mask-wearing causes a drop in oxygen (which we now know it likely will), which then leads to a medical complication or death. We have no idea what will happen to children who are made to wear masks in the triple digit weather of mid-August, but my guess is that their systems, being less developed and often more sensitive -- compounded by the fact that children are notoriously poor at self-regulation and are traditionally MUCH more active than adults -- will fare very badly indeed. Recent headlines have made quite clear that death of children and losses of consciousness can and do occur: https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/two-boys-drop-dead-in-china-while-wearing-masks-during-gym-class/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/24/driver-crashes-car-after-passing-out-from-wearing-n95-mask/
. Let me now turn to the original reason for writing this email, which was to provide you a Summary of Medical Data (June 2020) from Switzerland, which further throws into serious question why educational agencies would make any changes to school protocols - if we are not similarly prepared to make massive overhauls based on the flu season each year (which seasonal flu actually affects children more than COVID does):
- "According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is at most 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu)."
- "Even in the global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work."
- "The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality. https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1HebavrIpzi2bkq7Djm86JOyh5hTeIRw8QbjhPaSkI_eUOzpUItrWKtj8
Also, New England Journal of Medicine notes that masking is ineffective in community settings, and that even in healthcare arenas, it's highest and best use is not to reduce viral transmission but people's anxiety:
- "The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a REFLEXIVE REACTION TO ANXIETY over the pandemic.... Expanded masking protocols’ greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety, over and above whatever role they may play in reducing transmission of Covid-19." New England Journal of Medicine (May, 21, 2020). https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?fbclid=IwAR2XUtZJCUW-fGrayqv481-PmqTaAlaYU2V6w0YBcB9fi5KDC-iv5xhy-cE
Finally, the World Health Organization came out yesterday (June 8, 2020), concluding in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that asymptomatic patients are NOT spreaders of the virus, which simply confirmed what earlier studies in May had found. Accordingly, we should NOT be worried that Little Johnny is going to catch the virus and bring Covid home to kill Grandma. Put simply: masking and social distancing are unnecessary, will create more medical and psychological damage than benefit, and are unneeded as healthy people and asymptomatic positive people DO NOT SPREAD THE VIRUS (so just keep the sneezy-coughers out of class -- which is standard -- and we will be just fine):
- "Coronavirus patients without symptoms aren’t driving the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the disease could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections. 'We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,' she said. 'They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Sincerely,
Leigh Dundas, Esq.
- The masks study video: https://youtu.be/WqhwwLbNZqo
- The history of social distancing and the harm of using it in schools: https://youtu.be/NWh99sSF2Zs
Yeah, particulate but not virus. Like a said the masks are pretty good at containing the wearers spewage from scattering too far. Intake, not so much. We are under the guvs decree(nevaDUH) to wear them in public again. But, not in the car or working in the yard or eating at a restaurant or drinking a beverage in a bar or in a casino smoking. Yeah, pretty much “But we’re doing something!”
pretty interesting way of putting it
never really thought about it that way
28 year old CHaz who refuses to wear a mask and parties... who cant taste or smell and probably has COVID is sitting in his bathtub drinking whiskey. He cant taste it. He cant smell it. He isnt doing it for medicine effect
He is young, DGAF and rocks on.
just saw this this morning
(Not advocating for masks- just thought the article was interesting- seems Israel has been on the forefront of all kinds of breakthroughs in medicine and science- )
Israeli mask ‘gives 99 percent virus safety’
An early test conducted at a lab in Shanghai found the fabric used in the masks neutralised an overwhelming majority of the coronavirus
This wasn’t the article i had read- the other one stated the masks could be washed ‘100’s of times and still be as effective’
This could be a huge breakthrough for medical peeps
That is because wearing the mast cuts up to 40% of your oxygen intake while you are re breathing the co2 you just exhaled!
This article is Fake Science.
depends on multiple factors including how well your mask fits, if any particles end up on your skin or other surfaces that you touch then touch your face etc. Will it lessen the load you are exposed to enough to prevent infection - which is the real question you are asking. doubtful as even fauci and other mo mask nazis say the masks do not prevent the wearer from catching the virus. In addition we do not use viral load to determine infectivity. we use it in infected people to determine how well their immune system or drug therapy is working against their disease. Wear the mask if you want but there is zero evidence it does anything to protect you from catching covid or any other viral illness
We don’t know that masks are ‘working’ in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan,
We may know that they are having a lower mortality rate due to COVID, but that may be due to some other factor (e.g., less obesity in those countries).
the masks are a whopping $200 plus for just 5- supposed to last only about a year-
here’s a site that sells them IF anyone who works in medical field or health centers or around lots of folks from all over (like stores) or whatever is interested- -
Agreed.
It's like being made to wear a dunce cap, on your face, because the teacher had the wrong answer.
[[ Wear the mask if you want but there is zero evidence it does anything to protect you from catching covid or any other viral illness]]
See my post #45 and #50- these new type antimicrobial masks ‘are supposed to be’ 99% effective- don’t know if you are practicing medicine? Or know of folks who do? Might be worth a look for those who are exposed to sick people on a daily basis if so?
They fail to distinguish between surgical and n95s or greater. It’s a bullshit argument.
I always associated those who wear face masks with those who are into S&M bondage. During this Chinese pandemic, they are finally able to “come out.”
But let’s not let that spoil the narrative.
I’ve seen some clerks wearing face shields. If I were in a position where my job required a mask, that would use the shield.
Scroll down to section 5 if you're in a hurry.
For everyone wanting real science and real physics, see my above link.
No that isn’t my question
I accept it is quite likely I can be infected
the key is keeping the viral load as small as possible so my body can fight it off..ESPECIALLY since no one seems to know how thalassemia and my oxidative stress is going to react to it.
Even the specialists in Italy who are experts in thalassemia and watched the cases in Italy say there a lot of unknowns. At least in the webcast I listened to which is a few weeks/months old
Perhaps my thalassemia will make it easier for my body to react to it as one medical person here theorized as my body is used to oxidative stress
In any event, it would be CRAZY for me not to try to lessen the viral load and it disgusts me that anyone would denigrate me trying to lessen the viral load
I think this anti-mask misinformation is Chinese derived fabrication meant to keep Americans doing the wrong thing which allows the virus to further its destruction on our economy. It is also meant to ruin Trump’s chances for reelection.
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