Posted on 07/06/2020 9:42:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“As Dr Zev now puts it: ‘Zinc is the bullet. Hydroxychloroquine is the gun.’”
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I will watch it. I know he’s doing some telemedicine.
The OTC version is a nasal spray named Budesonide Nasal Spray; the branded version is called Rhinocort. It is used for nasal and sinus inflammation. It is formulated to be shot into your sinuses.
The doctor is using is using a form of the same drug, budesonide, that comes in premeasured plastic holders that are broken open and placed in a nebulizer machine. It is formulated to be inhaled to your lungs and used to treat inflammation. The branded name is different; it is Pulmicort.
So in short there is one steriod medication named budesonide that is sold with two different formulations designed to be delivered to two different parts of your body.
The one the doctor is using for the Wuhan Flu is not the one you can buy OTC and is not designed to be inhaled into your lungs.
If I haven’t been clear let me know
It’s very clear
In theory, some of that OTC should get in your lungs just from snorting it...but perhaps in such a small quantity that it is not going to help you.
Perhaps at the very beginning it might but in essence you need the script version if you are going to try this as treatment.
I agree I would go with the script.
If for no other reason it is designed, formulated to be inhaled safely via a nebulizer into the lungs.
Your lungs would likely not appreciate it if the nasal formula landed there. They could respond with increased, not decreased inflammation.
“Your lungs would likely not appreciate it if the nasal formula landed there. They could respond with increased, not decreased inflammation.”
Hadn’t thought of that.
Good points and yes Quercetin is also a Zinc ionophore and advantageously does not need a prescription.
But HCQ has an edge over other Zinc ionophores that make it more effective. Dr. Zelenko accounted for this performance edge picking up in part from Dr. Didier Raoult, MD, PhD in Marseille, France. This edge is that HCQ blocks the ACE2 receptor which the coronavirus SARS-COV-2 enters the pneumocytes.
HCQ thus has two mechanisms to combat SARS-COV-2:
* pushes Zn into pneumocytes to stop SARS-COV-2 from replicating
* blocks SARS-COV-2 from entry/reentry into pneumocytes
At first, Dr. Raoult was not using Zinc but after he and Dr. Zelenko started communicating directly, Dr. Raoult now uses it.
The reason Dr. Raoult was so successful without Zinc supplementation is because his patients didn’t need it. His initial panel of patients were French and lived in the seacoast region of Marseille. French families drink red wine everyday with meals and red wine is loaded with Zinc. French living around Marseille eat a lot of seafood and seafood is loaded with Zinc especially shellfish.
Adding Zinc sulfate or Zinc picolinate ensures everyone on the regimen has sufficient Zinc in their blood plasma. Otherwise results can be mixed.
I watched the Pinsky interview which was excellent. The topics were familiar from other interviews Zelenko has done but he had a chance to dive into deeper detail and expand on how he sees treatment and prevention.
Ok, there is misinformation on his departure from Kiryas Joel, as expected with the fake news covering anything to do with HCQ and Dr. Zelenko. The doctor makes it clear in his Pinsky interview that this media crime and arrogance is all about sacrificing health to the goal of getting rid of Trump. So it should come as no surprise that reports of Zelenko moving his practice are written with a slant that he was ‘driven out’ or he is held in ‘low esteem’. That slant would be false, nothing could be further from the truth.
But he did leave but the question is what did he leave?
He didn’t leave his patients, he left his healthcare administration organization.
Let’s add some medical real-world context.
MDs often have run-ins with their healthcare organizations. MDs need administrations because most health transactions are financed by some form of insurance versus out of pocket payments. As doctors don’t have the time to be on the phone for hours everyday fighting for insurance coverage for their patients, they settle to be part of a healthcare administration.
Dr. Zelenko was a medical director at Carestier Health which was technically his ‘employer’ but which he entered an agreement to be an MD as part of their healthcare administration. But these agreements become blurred over time as health administrators start treating MDs as mere hired help while MDs treat their health administrators as secretarial assistants.
It’s a bit of a afterthought development in American health delivery as MDs carry all the liability and responsibility whereas health administrators do not. So it’s easy to expect conflict built into the arrangement.
What happens when a health administrator gets uppity and starts arguing with one of their an MD providers who is popular among patients?
Some health administrators are known to take the view “I’m the boss and I set policy and if you don’t like it, you can leave and I’ll hire (sign up) another provider to replace you”. In most American business, this type of view is understood as par for the course.
But this interaction is different when it comes to MDs. When an MD announces they are leaving their current health provider organization, it’s different because the MD’s patients have a choice to follow their MD if they can.
In Dr. Zelenko’s case, he moved his administrative services agreement to Monsey Health Center:
https://monsey.info/monsey-news/703384/dr-zelenko-joins-monsey-practice
Monsey, NY is about 5 to 10 miles from Kiryas Joel and it’s almost a certainty that most of Dr. Zelenko’s patients kept their choice with him.
RE: At first, Dr. Raoult was not using Zinc but after he and Dr. Zelenko started communicating directly, Dr. Raoult now uses it.
This is good news. Two of the world’s foremost users of HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc to treat Covid-19 can now exchange notes.
BTW, how did you get this information? Is it reported anywhere at all? A link would be useful. Thanks.
Red wine also has a fair amount of quercetin but, as you mentioned, the HCQ is better. No doubt about that, as we both know, but in the absence of HCQ, quercetin (with zinc) is a good substitute (and WAY better than nothing).
It was shared by Dr. Zelenko during an interview given by Rabbi Katzin. Drs. Zelenko and Raoult are part of a whatsapp group where they discuss findings and share ideas.
Dr. Zelenko supports Quercetin as a prophylactic and as a substitute for HCQ when politics prevent or impede prescription of HCQ.
Interesting to know, thanks.
Just back from a business trip. Great article and comments. I wish someone would ask Dr. Fauci what he thinks of ionophores, and is he aware of the 2014 discovery regarding HCQ and zinc based on the ionophore action? Or, since he is retired, does he keep up with the relevant current literature? Or, is he more interested in helping develop the high price Remdesivir market, rather than helping the masses stop illness on an out-patient basis at very low cost? And if he is not interested in helping in the early stages of illness, is he any longer following his Hippocratic Oath? Please pass these questions on to your favorite media person.
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