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Raised from the depths of the Black Sea: Russian scuba divers complete year long mission to recover Second World War-era Bell P-39 Airacobra that crashed in 1943
UK Daily Mail ^ | September 25, 2020 | Raven Saunt

Posted on 09/25/2020 9:01:24 AM PDT by C19fan

The remains of a Second World War-era Bell P-39 Airacobra fighter aircraft have been pulled from the Black Sea.

The plane was hauled from the water in the Kalamita Bay, near the village of Novofyodorovka, Crimea, as part of a joint expedition of the Russian Geographical Society and the Russian Defence Ministry.

The aircraft had entered service with the Black Sea Fleet in 1943 but was forced to make a water landing just one year later due to a technical malfunction during a training flight.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: soviet
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From what I read, the Aircobra was very popular with the Soviets. The plane was powered by an Allison engine without a turbo-supercharger so the Western Allies did not like the plane due to lack of high altitude performance. But on the Ostfront air combat was at low and medium altitudes.
1 posted on 09/25/2020 9:01:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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It was a real piece of crap that saw high attrition rates in every theater employed by the USAF. Just as well that the Russians got some use out of it. Better than nothing, for sure.


2 posted on 09/25/2020 9:04:12 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Looks like it did when it rolled off the factory floor.


3 posted on 09/25/2020 9:04:20 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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I think that an important part of Soviet strategy was to just put out a lot of targets and try to overwhelm the Nazis or make them run out of ammunition.


4 posted on 09/25/2020 9:06:48 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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5 posted on 09/25/2020 9:06:49 AM PDT by blam
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Supposedly they had been designed with the turbocharged version of the Allison engine in mind, and performed very well when they had it.


6 posted on 09/25/2020 9:08:49 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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P-39 had a cannon which fired through propeller. Russians liked it in an anti-tank role.


7 posted on 09/25/2020 9:09:04 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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Well when you’re lagging technologically (thanks to being a new industrial nation AND having killed off most of your talented people), and “bodies” are literally all you’ve got....


8 posted on 09/25/2020 9:11:29 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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PT boat crews in the Solomons liked to re-purpose those 37mm cannons as additional firepower. They were great against Japanese supply barges and other small craft.


9 posted on 09/25/2020 9:12:59 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: C19fan
Interesting:


10 posted on 09/25/2020 9:16:13 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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Not really, in Russian service it was extremely successful. You have an uninformed opinion. Five of the 10 highest scoring Soviet aces logged the majority of their kills in P-39s. Grigoriy Rechkalov scored 44 victories in Airacobras. Pokryshkin scored 47 of his 59 victories in P-39s, making him the highest scoring P-39 fighter pilot of any nation, and the highest scoring Allied fighter pilot using an American fighter.

The high attrition rates in USAF were due to early war poor tactics, meeting Zeros in maneuvering dogfights that no other fighter on earth could turn with, and in Europe we operated at high altitudes that it could not function at.


11 posted on 09/25/2020 9:17:22 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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A graceful airplane which unfortunately did not perform particularly well.


12 posted on 09/25/2020 9:17:47 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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It was a plane constructed around a cannon.


13 posted on 09/25/2020 9:18:36 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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There’s a great movie out called, I think, Mr. Jones.

It’s about an English reporter.

He goes to the Soviet Union in the 1930s because the Soviet Union is building like crazy while the rest of the world is dormant from The Depression.

He finds that Stalin is starving the Ukrainians so that he can sell their grain for cash and then use the money to build.

The Holodomor (sp?).

The Soviet Union was turning out massive amounts of armaments.


14 posted on 09/25/2020 9:19:20 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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“The plane was powered by an Allison engine without a turbo-supercharger “

Single-speed supercharger


15 posted on 09/25/2020 9:22:23 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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The sleek design made the P-39 as fast or faster than it’s contemporary early war fighters, so long as the altitude was 5000 feet or less. The 37mm cannon was huge for the time and was useful in ground attack. They held their own when used with the limitations in mind.

During WWII, my dad was the chief engineering officer for a squadron of P-39’s in a group assigned to protect the Panama Canal. Later the group was given P-51’s and sent to India/Burma. The difference was night and day. The pilots thought they’s gone to heaven.

(Interestingly, before assigned the P-51’s, the group had spent about 3 months learning all about flying and maintaining the Bell P-59 Aircomet jet. The jet program had continuing problems and the P-51’s were better anyway.)


16 posted on 09/25/2020 9:22:43 AM PDT by oldplayer
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one in flying condition


17 posted on 09/25/2020 9:41:01 AM PDT by llevrok (Vote while it is still legal! And often.)
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To: TexasGator

Say, that sounds like the A-10 Thunderbolt!


18 posted on 09/25/2020 9:49:13 AM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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[It was a plane constructed around a cannon.]


It wasn’t a total waste. These assessments are all relative to what the opposition puts up. Against a mounted knight kitted out with the best armor money could buy, the Airacobra might as well have been the Death Star zapping an entire planet in Star Wars. Vs the USAF’s actual opponents, it was a death trap. Another dog of a plane (this time a Navy aircraft) that shone when used in less challenging environments - ironically by the Finns against the Russians - was the Brewster Buffalo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_F2A_Buffalo#Finland


19 posted on 09/25/2020 9:50:04 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Of course, on the Russian front, P-39’s faced off German Bf-109’s and FW-190’s (as well as ME-210’s and assorted slower craft). One huge variable was the quality of the pilots. German squadrons became filled with low-time pilots as the war progressed. The early aces that survived remained deadly opponents until the bitter end.


20 posted on 09/25/2020 10:03:24 AM PDT by oldplayer
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