counter terrorism expert explains the Scytl raid in Germany

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_s expert - emper_tyrannis/2020/11/unraveling-the-deep-state-coup.html ^ | 11/22/2020 | Chrisnj

[Travis McGee]

Outstanding point!

[glimmerman70]

Good they are likely dirty. Or can’t be trusted in this. We needed the servers. Bring these people to there knees...

[Robert357]

thank you this all makes sense.

However, if you remember the framing of Trump on Russia collusion was an idea funded initially by Hilary Clinton and the DNC through Perkins Coe lawfirm paying money for the Steel fake report. The framing effort involved the 5 eyes intelligence agencies all cooperating in trying to overturn an election. This means that Foreign Service, Diplomatic corps and intelligence agencies around the world don't want Trump. Our US State Dept, and many of the US Intelligence agencies prefer to cooperate with their counterpart in other countries rather than follow the US Constitution.

So at what point with the German equivalent of the State Department and Intelligence agencies claim that the information on the services is classified and of national (their nation not ours) significance and that live could be lost if made public? It will happen. Trump needs to declassify everything at light speed otherwise Biden will be sworn in as President and then talk about a cover-up of historic proportions.

[egfowler3]

You know that is a STUPID question. Only those with a NEED TO KNOW know the answer, and YOU obviously DO NOT need to know.

[Mariner]

LOL

Like the author of this article had a need to know.

I guess we should take their word for it, eh?

The author contends, to a broad audience he has some special, inside source. He just can’t tell us who.

The NY Times and Washington Post do this all the time and people rightfully call them out on it. But when a BS blog that nobody has ever heard of pops up with confirmation bias and no source, Freepers eat it up.

That’s all anybody “needs to know”.

[bitt]

p

[rolling_stone]

fyi

http://freethoughtmanifesto.blogspot.com/2014/03/frankfurt-american-military-intel.html

us embassy frankfurt germany supposed home of cia intel etc..2,00o enployees for visas?
embassies are guarded by us marines

i imagine if not their servers they could have intercepted and copied dominion traffic

[Sundog the Skiver]

“Someday all of us will be dead. But only some of us will die as cowards.”.... and even fewer will die as Heroes.

[Bob Ireland]

***the CIA’s Gina Haspel was not informed in advance of this operation ... I also have learned that FBI Director Christopher Wray was excluded from this operation***

If true this tells us a good bit of what we need to know about this election... The 2016 election operation - same group - is still in effect, only accelerated.

If successful an onerous tyranny is on the threshold in order to train the people about who runs this country.

[Bob Ireland]

***It's a twofer, to betray America while simultaneously betraying your co-conspirators. Obviously, there is no honor among thieves, and there are no "friends" in D.C.***

Well discerned. Perhaps of interest to you: the strong man wins.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for that. WIll read more. If Haspel and Wray were excluded, that tells me that once this election is straightened out at least to the point where it is obvious to everyone that Trump won, I think he will fire both of them and maybe dismantle the CIA entirely.

[Bob Ireland]

***Haspel and Wray ... I think he will fire both of them and maybe dismantle the CIA entirely***

An interesting idea. Harry Truman created the Central Intelligence Agency in order to consolidate the burgeoning covert foreign information gathering sources in the wake of ending WWII and dismantling the rather undisciplined OSS.

One wonders if Prez Truman forgot the natural organic destiny of bureaucracies to multiply and insulate themselves. There was already military intelligence (various) and diplomatic intelligence as well as FBI counterintelligence. There was no deep desire on anyone's part to consolidate sources or methods.

CIA's disastrous involvement in Cuba and the Bay of Pigs is an example of various threads beginning to unravel. JFK inherited the Bay of Pigs from his predecessor, Prez. Eisenhower; certain aspects of the previous plan disturbed him and he finally decided to alter a few directives.

That led to a disaster because both CIA and military intelligence were loosely coordinated and leadership was in question. Not necessarily as a result of this specific operation, but afterwards a more central command structure was sought and so it has ever been since. Now we have the DNI (Director of National Intelligence) appointed by the president, but we also have the National Security Council and the Presidential National Security Advisor.

Prior to the 9/11 attacks Jamie Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General of the United States, instituted a rule disallowing intelligence sharing between most covert operations agencies. The result of that bit of misguided direction should be apparent BUT she was assigned to the 9/11 Commission to investigate intelligence flaws leading up to the attacks so you can imagine the reported mistakes and what was not listed.

This is a bit of a disjointed history of the intelligence behemoth now choking our security efforts but it could beggar for dismantling the CIA; I suspect something would have to be assigned to replace it, and it would likely be staffed in part by all the unemployed spooks set adrift by terminating CIA. There may not be an easy solution to replacing the somewhat rogue CIA.

[little jeremiah]

You are the brain (I mean in the small duo of “you and me”) and infinitely more knowledgeable, but my memory is telling me something about Trump being likely to dismantle the CIA and putting intel under one umbrella. Mil most likely. I know he has talked about the goal of merging and/or getting rid of some fed agencies, streamlining fed gov, with much fewer fed employees.

GOOD!!!

[Bob Ireland]

***my memory is telling me something about Trump being likely to dismantle the CIA and putting intel under one umbrella. Mil most likely***

It is a somewhat mammoth undertaking like Hercules cleaning the Augean stables in a single day. For one thing, as I posted, what becomes of all those unemployed spooks when the CIA is dismantled? Can't just leave them wandering around seeking employment; many of them are in possession of highly sensitive information.

Intelligence is an instrument of diplomacy, one of its main functions. Military intel is part of the pattern but also important in military functions separately. Putting central intelligence in the hands of the military strikes me as awkward and could introduce a bias not necessarily helpful to diplomacy. Counterintelligence is not a perfect fit in the military's hands.

Then there is the dynamic of bureaucratic growth and the natural inclination to use information to gain power; information is power!

Not to say that bureaucratic shrinkage is not possible, desirable or necessary. Only to say that it may require a brilliant architect to redesign the existing overfed behemoth. An underfed overfed behemoth can be dangerous and, as stated, information is power.

Then the architect must bring in the Congress to provide budgetary financing - speaking of overfed behemoths. :)