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Phil Collins' $15 million collection of Alamo artifacts is flashy, but how much of it is real?
San Antonio Express News ^ | May 20, 2021 | Chris Tomlinson

Posted on 05/22/2021 1:37:39 PM PDT by bgill

The $450 million Alamo revitalization effort remains very real, its centerpiece a new museum to be built around the collection of artifacts and documents that rock star Phil Collins donated to the state in 2014. Everyone involved — George P. Bush, the General Land Office, the city of San Antonio, and the Alamo itself — has a lot riding on this. Finally, they promise, the Alamo will be a “world-class destination.”

There’s just one problem. According to a dozen prominent antiquities dealers, collectors, and archaeologists, not to mention the Alamo’s longtime official historian, the Collins collection is not what it’s cracked up to be. The historian, Bruce Winders, who was the first to review the collection and its authentication papers in 2014, tells us its documentation is so sketchy he repeatedly warned his superiors about it. Asked about his level of concern, Winders replies, “There’s enough to make you think that there is some deception going on here.”

(Excerpt) Read more at expressnews.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: alamo; fake; philcollins; texas
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I have Adam's fig leaf for sale. Well, it's a fig leaf so that's pretty good proof it's the real deal.

Don't mess with Texas.

1 posted on 05/22/2021 1:37:39 PM PDT by bgill
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I’ve got Travis’ 8 track tape player. Works great.


2 posted on 05/22/2021 1:47:04 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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The museum in my hometown has Indian artifacts. For years, I admired them. Then I found out that NONE of them were real. They had a program to make these phony items to display in the museum.

I'm sure the Collins collection is more real than that in my hometown museum.

3 posted on 05/22/2021 1:47:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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“the Collins collection is not what it’s cracked up to be”

Wow, just like his “music”.


4 posted on 05/22/2021 1:49:27 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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When asked why his collection was not what it was cracked up to be, Collins said,

“There must be some misunderstanding
There must be some kind of mistake”


5 posted on 05/22/2021 1:54:04 PM PDT by Meatspace
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The way this country is heading, the artifacts are worthless and are racist for being used against the Mexican army at the time....
Remember, history that was always taught is wrong....

At least in the minds of people that hate our Country...

God Bless America 🇺🇸


6 posted on 05/22/2021 1:54:45 PM PDT by Pez149 (Time to stop saying a theory is fact....)
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No surprise. The better the item the better the story that comes with it. Caveat emptor. Buying directly from family is best but not fool proof. The problem with the Alamo items is it was so long ago that it makes provenance of privately owned items very difficult to prove.


7 posted on 05/22/2021 1:58:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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8 Track player....

Too early for “I Dreamed I Was There In Hillbilly Heaven” on a 78 by Tex Ritter but invented in time for Melanie’s “Candles In the Rain” and the entire Barry Manilow catalog.


8 posted on 05/22/2021 2:01:16 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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Sorry, it was actually called I Dreamed of a Hillbilly Heaven (1961 release). Still a fun song. Name checked the greats.


9 posted on 05/22/2021 2:06:18 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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I wore out 2 copies of Eat a Peach on an 8 track.


10 posted on 05/22/2021 2:08:14 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


11 posted on 05/22/2021 2:09:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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my research earlier this week indicated there is a pissing contest going on about the museum funding so thus the smear scandal


12 posted on 05/22/2021 2:10:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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My uncle was amazingly well informed on antiques; guns, coins, stamps, furniture, you name it. His research book collection ran well over a thousand and he knew every word. He was fascinating to walk around a show with. He knew not just what something was, but the political or industrial background context in which it was made. Occasionally, he’d point out a fake antique that was well over 100 years old. The Romans had fakes from Egypt, Greece and the other empires long gone. For as long as people have collected stuff, other people created fakes. Now, some of those fakes are collector items themselves.

And, 100 years from now, most people will never know the difference. Heck, the vast majority of people don’t know the difference now.

Gosh, I love people who are so into something that they know it backwards and forwards and they can make a good tale out of what they know. Of course, it might be challenging with a topic like, say, the history of rubber bands...


13 posted on 05/22/2021 2:13:22 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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I wore out 2 copies of Eat a Peach on an 8 track.

Showing off your good musical taste and refinement as usual----at my expense.

I had Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Bob Dylan on 8 track to play in my Plymouth Valiant. 6 speakers.

14 posted on 05/22/2021 2:16:46 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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A pop star could be a moronic dupe?

Who knew?


15 posted on 05/22/2021 2:21:16 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: a fool in paradise

P. Bush can p!ss off.


16 posted on 05/22/2021 2:25:15 PM PDT by bgill
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They are saying it’s all been a pack of lies?


17 posted on 05/22/2021 2:27:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Agree, just explaining some of the source of this “controversy”


18 posted on 05/22/2021 2:32:35 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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To: bgill

I just had a mental image of Jan Hooks saying “Tortillas!”


19 posted on 05/22/2021 3:05:39 PM PDT by Yardstick
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Meh, those “professionals” always get mad when a private guy kicks their ass. Same with all the tomb exploration in Egypt. A private guy found Troy.


20 posted on 05/22/2021 3:06:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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