Could Pfizer and Moderna Be in Trouble After the Latest COVID Vaccine Findings?

Motley Fool ^ | Keith Speights And Brian Orelli

[BenLurkin]

Brian Orelli: There's a bit of an extrapolation going on here. The researchers looked at memory B cells, which tend to provide more long-term protection than, let's say, antibodies. They looked at those in the lymph nodes and found the cells were there as long as 15 weeks.

Typically, they'd mostly be gone by four to six weeks. So that's the basis of this claim that it could offer protection for years. If true, that will be a big blow obviously to vaccine makers, at least for Moderna and BioNTech.

Pfizer would be fine because it's so diversified. It's really hard to make an argument for the valuations of Moderna and BioNTech right now if these vaccines are one and done over a couple of years. They really need to have ongoing sales until they can get growth from other drugs in their pipelines.

Speights: Right. Obviously, if these vaccines provide immunity for multiple years, these companies aren't going to make nearly as much money as they expect and a lot of investors expect.

[rktman]

Pedo joe: “Get the shot. Guaranteed safe and effective!” Well except when it kills folks or disables them or those that are “fully vaccinated” get the CV anyway.

[Diogenesis]

Dr. David Martin on Spike Protein Depopulation Patents - MUST HEAR THIS

Dr. David Martin on the CDC's, FauXi's, Daszak's, and Gates' plans

[BenLurkin]

Maybe the “Big Guy” is getting his ten percent.

[knarf]

yes/no

President Trump was being publicly pilloried because he wasn't doing anything, wasn't doing enough, wasn't doing it fast enough, etc., and any negative against the companies will be turned against President Trump.

They really do have a lot of tricks up their sleeves at the ready.

They can NOT allow or afford another Trump or Trump like surge in the American population.

If America whole heartedly rejects the democrats in a year and a half, be prepared for all out war in select places that will have the best chance of being ignored .... NO ONE wants to protect Portland, or ill hand oh my Minneapolis, etc.

[rovenstinez]

this link is VERY enlightening... I listened to the end.

[libh8er]

Just to be clear - according to the article the trouble is not because vaccines were bad, but because they turned out to be even better than Pfizer and Moderna wanted them to be.

[bgill]

Maybe Pfizer but never Gates’ and Fauxi’s Moderna.

[Stentor]

Reading these guys, I can see what Arendt said about banality.

[katieanna]

I called my congressman’s office for the second time yesterday telling him that they MUST discontinue the shots NOW because of all the devastating effects. The staffer said they’ve been getting lots of calls.

[Alter Kaker]

The banality of saving millions of lives?

[katieanna]

Johns Hopkins had no comment when a new hire took the shot as “required for employment “ and died days later

[katieanna]

https://theempoweror.com/2021/07/05/45-year-old-john-hopkins-hospital-employee-dies-after-reaction-to-mandatory-covid-shot/

[Bell Bouy II]

Article is an investment point of view, doesnt touch on adverse reactions.

[Sacajaweau]

I got the J&J...cuz it’s an ordinary flu vaccine.

[entropy12]

Moderna & Pfizer stocks are going up. No problems coming up.

[Karl Spooner]

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Key takeaways from study.

Review
Open Access
Published: 31 October 2016
Toxicity of graphene-family nanoparticles: a general review of the origins and mechanisms

**The developmental toxicity of GFNs may induce structural abnormalities, growth retardation, behavioural and functional abnormalities, and even death.

**DNA damage can not only initiate cancer development but also possibly threaten the health of the next generation if the mutagenic potential of GO arises in reproductive cells, which impacts fertility and the health of offspring [112, 190].

**The cytotoxicity of GFNs in vitro has been verified in various cells to change the cell viability and morphology, destroy the membrane integrity, and induce DNA damage [110–112]. GO or rGO decrease cell adhesion; induce cell apoptosis; and enter lysosomes, mitochondria, cell nuclei, and endoplasm [113].

GQDs entered cells and induced DNA damage by the increased expression of p53, Rad 51, and OGG1 proteins in NIH-3 T3 cells [87].

https://particleandfibretoxicology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12989-016-0168-y

[zek157]

That is still an unknown for now.

[Qiviut]

I got the J&J...cuz it’s an ordinary flu vaccine.

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I don’t think that is correct. Novavax (not out yet) is supposed to be like the usual flu vaccines, or so they say.

Check out the link:
https://whyy.org/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-johnson-johnson-vaccine/

The vaccine, produced by Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen Pharmaceutical Cos. unit, is created using similar, but slightly different technology than is used in making the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

Those two use messenger RNA to direct the body to make the virus’ spike protein. Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines enclose their mRNA in lipid nanoparticles, for which manufacturing facilities have had trouble ramping up production, contributing to bogged-down supply chain issues.

Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine also delivers the body a recipe for creating the spike protein, but it uses DNA instead of RNA. That DNA is encapsulated in an inactivated adenovirus — the virus that causes the common cold — that cannot replicate in the body.

Once the cells create the spike protein found on the coronavirus, the immune system responds, conferring protection if the person is exposed to the real virus.

[Yaelle]

Me too. I didn’t need it. I tested positive for antibodies already from having had covid. But I felt forced socially and to attend events. So I went for the JJ.