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AYOOB: DO YOU MAKE THESE 1911 MISTAKES?
The Armory Life ^ | 5 August 2021 | MASSAD AYOOB

Posted on 08/05/2021 10:52:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java

Versatility, dependable function, and high hit potential are among the reasons why so many of us cling to a 110-year-old pistol design. However, we have a couple of generations of gun owners who didn’t grow up with that particular pistol — the 1911 — and can benefit from the experiences with it of those who have gone before. Let’s look at a few “hacks” that make life with the 1911 a little bit easier and, even, safer.


Safest grasp for holstering: thumb safety engaged, shooters thumb holding the hammer, no pressure on grip safety and the finger off of the trigger.

Chamber Checks

Safety and peace of mind alike are reasons pistol owners frequently check the firing chamber. Is there a torpedo in the launch tube for when the gun might have to be deployed instantly in a defensive emergency? When we want it to be unloaded, is it completely unloaded?


Ayoob demonstrates his recommended chamber check. It emphasizes safety without compromising utility.

First, a jargon alert: the term “press-check” is often misapplied. When we draw the slide back to expose the chamber area, we’re normally “pulling” or “retracting” rather than “pressing” anything. The “press-check” is one specific technique, aptly named, which goes back to the first half of the 20th century. In a true press check, the firing hand is holding the pistol normally, and the thumb of the support hand is hooked behind the front edge of the trigger guard while the support hand index finger presses against the bottom front of the slide, pushing the slide to the rear.

This, of course, puts that “weak hand” index finger directly under the gun muzzle! When done with a loaded pistol, the danger is obvious. Particularly if the thumb inside the trigger guard is thick or gloved, it is dangerously close to the trigger, perhaps even already in contact with it. Remember, the thumb safety has to be in the “fire” position for the 1911’s slide to move, and the firm grasp of the firing hand has already depressed the grip safety.


This is the true “press check.” Ayoob considers it unsafe, as explained with graphic detail in the article.

If the operator is bumped or startled or that front index finger simply slips, the momentum of the slide coming forward under spring pressure can snap the front of the gun slightly downward. Now the trigger is driven against that thumb, and…BANG: the gun discharges with the index finger now in direct contact with the muzzle.

I knew one Master shooter who made this mistake and blew off the last digit of his left index finger with a .45 slug. At muzzle contact the burning, expanding gases are particularly destructive; it’s not just the bullet that does the damage.


A full-length guide rod, as seen here on TGO-II, prevents the press check. Ayoob considers that a safety feature.

It is wise to keep the fingers away from the business end of the gun. It’s popular today to put grasping grooves on the front as well as the rear of the slide. Your writer is not a big fan of this. It became popular when large optics started being placed on target pistols, often frame-mounted in such a way as to make the slide’s rear grasping grooves difficult to reach.

Front grooves are not needed on a pistol without a frame-attached scope. (If you have carry optics attached to the slide, the optic itself in a solid mount becomes a very handy “slide-racking” surface.) For a few decades now I’ve been the handgun columnist for GUNS magazine, and one of those decades ago one column began with, “I am holding my friend’s little finger. Unfortunately, my friend is standing on the other side of the room.”


This is the “armorer’s grasp”: handy for takedown and one type of malfunction clearing, but not the author’s idea of a proper chamber-check technique.

My buddy had been working his 1911 .45’s slide from the front, and his trigger finger was apparently in the guard. A live round in the chamber had been overlooked. When he worked the slide from the front, BANG: the pinky finger ceased to be attached to the rest of his hand. He kept the severed digit in a jar of Formalin as a warning to others.

There is a reason John Moses Browning put those grasping grooves on the BACK of the 1911’s slide. Please pay homage to the designer and work the slide from there.

Thumb and Thumb Safety

It is far more common to have to draw a defensive handgun than to have to shoot a living thing with it. The 1911 is properly carried Condition One, cocked and locked with a round in the chamber, ready for action. Most of us learned early to have it in hand with the manual safety’s lever still up in the “safe” position, firing hand thumb poised above the lever and ready to swipe it down into the “fire” position at the same time when the index finger entered the trigger guard when it came time to shoot. After sixty years with 1911s, that is still my own ingrained habit.


Ayoob’s “ready” grasp: thumb on engaged safety, ready to instantly press it down into the “fire” position.

However, that’s not the only way. Along about 40 years ago, then-Major Winston Dill of the Athens, Georgia Police Department showed me another option: the thumb of the firing hand pushing up on the safety, holding it in the “on safe” position. One of the real “thinking person’s gun forums” is pistol-forum.com, founded by the late Todd Louis Green and home to a great many knowledgeable professionals today. In a recent discussion thread there, a great many professionals endorsed this particular “ready grasp” of the 1911.


Ayoob demonstrates a variation of “ready” grasp with the thumb pushing upward on safety to keep it engaged.

Each approach has pros and cons. The thumb pushing upward holding the pistol on safe requires a “one-two” movement, up and then down, for the thumb to put the gun into “fire” mode. The thumb riding on the safety requires just one downward stroke and is therefore slightly faster when firing is necessary.

On the other hand, a startle response that causes fingers and thumb to tighten can inadvertently off-safe the 1911 if the thumb was already riding atop the lever. This won’t be true if the thumb is under the lever. Resting atop the lever obviously puts the thumb higher, and the higher the opposing thumb, the less force the other fingers can exert holding the pistol.

It would be worth any 1911 owner’s time to try both methods, starting with extensive dry-fire, and then pick one of those techniques and stay with it.

Ready Trigger Finger Placement

We all know the trigger finger on a drawn gun should not enter the trigger guard unless and until it is time to shoot. Personally, I would narrow that down to “the finger should only be inside the trigger guard when we are in the very act of intentionally discharging the weapon.”

The commonly seen straight finger resting on the front of the trigger guard is, in my experience, manifestly unsafe: it holds the finger taut, and a startle response that activates the flexor muscles can snap it straight back into the trigger with enough force to cause an unintended discharge.


Massad Ayoob has been handling and shooting 1911s since 1960. The Springfield Armory pistol shown is TGO-II.

Finger straight along the frame or above it, or even the fingertip touching the barrel/chamber area, are sometimes recommended. I’ve found that in most hands, the finger touching the chamber is awkward and weakens the hold, and in any case, can burn the finger during extended firing drills. Thus, the most common “ready” grasp is the finger straight along the frame.


The shooting finger straight along the pistol’s frame and above the trigger guard is universally accepted as safe.

With most handguns, and with the 1911 held in the left hand, this won’t in any way disable the gun. However, with a right-handed shooter and a 1911, every now and then a straight finger pushes hard enough against the protruding stud of the slide stop lever to move it a little bit left. Now, when the first shot is fired, the pistol can lock up. To clear that malfunction, one goes to the armorer’s grasp (see photo), retracts the slide just to the point used in takedown and reassembly, and pushes the slide stop back in to get the gun operational again. We have to do this a few times a year with students’ 1911s on the firing line. It is not something we’d care to have to do when under fire.

That’s one reason why, back in the 1970s, I learned to flex my right index finger when holding a 1911 and index the fingernail just behind that stud of the slide stop lever. Now it can’t move the part. I like to hold ANY handgun with the trigger finger in this position anyway because it’s more solid for weapon retention, won’t snag on the front edge of the trigger guard when I do need to shoot, and can snap instantly across the trigger ready to fire when the moment comes.


Ayoob prefers his finger flexed on the frame with the fingernail indexed behind protruding stud of the slide stop.

By the way, that armorer’s grasp is another method I’ve seen used for chamber checking. I don’t like it for that: it weakens the grasp unnecessarily and is somewhat fumble-prone. The armorer’s grasp is most useful, as its name implies, for field-stripping and reassembling the 1911. It is useful for clearing that one type of malfunction mentioned, the slide stop that has started to work its way out of the pistol.

Conclusion

Many general pistolcraft techniques apply directly to the 1911, but John Moses Browning’s classic design does have its own idiosyncrasies. The above suggestions are offered in hopes of making “life with the 1911” a little bit easier and safer.


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1 posted on 08/05/2021 10:52:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java

No argument here.


2 posted on 08/05/2021 10:58:57 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: COBOL2Java; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

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3 posted on 08/05/2021 10:59:25 AM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Agreed.


4 posted on 08/05/2021 11:01:44 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says it.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Thanks. I’ve been an Ayoob fan for years.

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5 posted on 08/05/2021 11:05:32 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: COBOL2Java
This is the “armorer’s grasp”: handy for takedown and one type of malfunction clearing, but not the author’s idea of a proper chamber-check technique.

I've always heard of that as "Glock Grip" because that's how you grab a Glock to field strip it.

6 posted on 08/05/2021 11:07:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: COBOL2Java

There is also a 5th safety; if all else fails. Put your hand over the muzzle and push back; it won’t fire.

NOT RECOMMENDED.


7 posted on 08/05/2021 11:10:28 AM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: COBOL2Java

Thanks for posting this. I learned something today.


8 posted on 08/05/2021 11:11:45 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: PROCON

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9 posted on 08/05/2021 11:13:46 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Russia & China build mighty fighting machines while we build an army of feminized idiots)
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To: COBOL2Java

IF any man knows all about the 1911 it is certainly Ayoob!


10 posted on 08/05/2021 11:14:44 AM PDT by Fiddlstix ((Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix

Ayoob once was Anoob. Now after years of experience he became Ayoob.


11 posted on 08/05/2021 11:19:50 AM PDT by Redcitizen
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To: COBOL2Java

for better or worse i was taught press check


12 posted on 08/05/2021 11:41:29 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Thanks for posting this. I learned something today.
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I own a Glock, and a few 1911’s. I can go on and on about the greatness of the 1911, but Glock fans do not understand. I know two people who shot themselves with a Glock, none I know with a 1911. First Glock owner ( an ex Marine) sat on the toilet with his Glock in his lower back holster, he finished the paperwork, pulled up his pants, discharge, through his ass cheek. Would have never happened with a 1911. Second person, similar experience, trigger snagged on something, discharge through his foot. Learn about both weapons, decide for yourselves. Keep in mind the striker fired Glock is much more dangerous than the triple safety hammered 1911 in many “ unusual” and “ unlikely” circumstances, circumstances that you may THINK can never occur….I myself had an AD with a Glock, looking back it could never have occurred with a hammer gun. Glock- 3 incidents, 1911 none.


13 posted on 08/05/2021 11:54:00 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

I’ve never owned a Glock, and only one 1911. I’m more of a revolver guy. No negligent discharges (so far, knock wood).


14 posted on 08/05/2021 12:17:13 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: COBOL2Java

I’ve hated the 1911 ever since I had to qualify with one in the Marine Corps. There will never be one in my inventory.


15 posted on 08/05/2021 12:18:36 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: PROCON

I prefer not to read any articles about 1911’s because they almost always make me want to buy one. :)


16 posted on 08/05/2021 12:25:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: AlaskaErik

The ones we had to qualify with when I was in basic training in ‘73 were ancient! Some of them probably dated back to WWII. Lots of stovepipes.


17 posted on 08/05/2021 12:29:41 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Yeah, I saw that video, disgusting.


18 posted on 08/05/2021 12:29:41 PM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: Fiddlstix

“IF any man knows all about the 1911 it is certainly Ayoob!”

I took one of his courses several years ago and got to watch him shoot a course of fire on the range. He is absolutely a master of John Browning’s creation.


19 posted on 08/05/2021 1:10:06 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't. )
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Certainly, revolvers are my carry choice, no FTF, FTE, …..I have owned to many autos that failed just one time, loss of trust in my sidearm puts it on Gunbroker….I love my SW hammerless Airweight.


20 posted on 08/05/2021 3:53:26 PM PDT by delta7
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