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Veterans Day Remembrance: The Ball Turret Gunner
self | November 10, 2021 | Self

Posted on 11/10/2021 3:43:39 PM PST by Retain Mike

The near certainty the United States would be drawn into WW II prompted creation of an autonomous Army Air Force. Until the war in Europe began, dominate Army doctrine gave the air corps no mission beyond supporting the ground forces. In opposition to this entrenched position, Giulio Douhet, an Italian general and air power theorist, maintained air power could shatter civilian moral and elicit demands to surrender by destroying a country’s vital centers. Now air power advocates fought and won the Pentagon battle for the authority to prove the theory that bombers could win wars.

The instruments for this initiative in Europe were the B-24 Liberator and B-17 Flying Fortress bombers which carried 10-13 .50cal machine guns for defense and the Norden bombsight for precision daylight attack. Under combat conditions, peacetime bombing accuracy was never realized. The bombers also suffered horrendous losses until a more robust P-51 Mustang significantly reduced losses by escorting them all the way to and from the target.

Now granted a lot of the men ended up as prisoners of war, but one historian noted that Kamikaze squadrons had a lessor casualty rate until fighter escorts could accompany bombers throughout the mission. Completing 25 missions was so extraordinary in 1942 and 1943, that the aircraft and crew of the Memphis Belle returned to the United States to sell war bonds. During the war, the 8th Air Force based in England suffered more than 26,000 dead compared to the Marine Corps which incurred nearly 20,000 killed in the Pacific.

Even though all crew members contemplated a dismal fate, that of the ball turret gunner exceeded all others. The man operating the two machine guns on the belly of these aircraft is described by Gregory Freeman in his book The Forgotten 500.

“Nobody really wanted to be in a ball turret. This Plexiglas ball hanging from the bottom of the bomber was one of America’s latest innovations in air warfare. An ingenious piece of machinery built by the Sperry Corporation; the ball turret was a heavily armed bubble just big enough to hold a grown man – but only on the small side. It had room for the gunner and its two fifty-caliber machine guns – and little else. The extremely cramped quarters meant that the gunner was the only crew member on a bomber who did not wear a parachute during a mission. Provided the hoist worked, he was left sitting up in the main part of the plane, where he would have to go to get it and put it on before escaping with the rest of the crew. [Clare] Musgrove always told his students: ‘Stow your chute where you can find it in a hurry. You won’t have much time’.”

“The ball turret was not a place for the claustrophobic. It was a tiny space, though it had a great view of the scenery below – or the fighter plane coming up to kill you. The entire unit rotated around in a circle and also up and down, so that the gunner could fire on planes coming from any direction. Being suspended underneath the plane gave the gunner a sensation of flying free, and that often meant that the attacking fighter seemed to be going after him personally rather than trying to shoot down the bomber itself. Everyone on the plane was riding an adrenaline surge during a fighter attack, but none more so than the ball turret gunner who was furiously firing his fifty – caliber machine guns at the German plane trying to kill him in his little glass bubble.”

“The ball turret gunner sat curled up in a fetal position, swiveling the entire turret as he aimed the two guns. As he moved the turret quickly to find attacking planes and then follow them with his guns, the gunner could be in any position from lying on his back to standing on his feet. The gunner sat between the guns, his feet in stirrups positioned on either side of a thirteen-inch-diameter window in front, his knees up around his ears and very little room for moving anything but his hands. His flight suit provided the only padding for comfort.”

“An optical gunsight hung in front of his face, and a pedal under his left foot adjusted a reticule on the gunsight glass. When the target was framed in the sight, the gunner knew the range was correct and he let fly with the machine guns, pushing down one of the two firing buttons located on the wooden handles that controlled the movement of the ball. Shell casings were ejected through a port just below the gun barrels, pouring out as fast as the beads of sweat on the gunner’s face. The plane carried two 150 round belts of ammunition per gun for the ball turret and fed them down from boxes mounted on either side of the hoist.”

The ball turret in the B-24, which Musgrove flew, could be electrically raised and lowered, and had to be raised for landing. The B-17 bombers had sufficient ground clearance if the landing gear functioned, but in an emergency the hand crank could reposition the turret from inside the aircraft fuselage and allow the gunner to exit, and hopefully in time to grab his parachute if he had to exit a stricken aircraft. Musgrove thought this was a great improvement over the B-17 design because no one wanted to be trapped in a ball turret. There was no way to exit the B-17 or B-24 turret without raising it into the fuselage of the plane, so a turret that could not be retracted could become a deathtrap for the gunner. They had all heard stories of gunners who were trapped in their glass bubbles when battle damage resulted in a crash. Musgrove said,

“It was every ball turret gunner’s nightmare, and it became a horrifying reality for some. If the gunner was already dead in the turret and it could not be retracted into the plane, the crew sometimes would jettison the whole apparatus, because the plane was not designed to land with the ball turret hanging underneath. But if the gunner was alive, they would have to tell him that they had no choice but to put the plane down eventually. The ball turret gunner had a long time to contemplate his fate, maybe to say good-bye on the intercom to his crewmates, as the damaged plane limped back to the base or looked for a field in which to crash. All he could do was sit in the glass bubble like a helpless fetus in the womb, watching the ground come closer and closer. When the plane landed, the ball turret was often scraped off the belly, taking the gunner with it. This problem occurred with the B-24. There was sufficient clearance with the B-17 for the turret to be in the lowered position, if the plane could land with the wheels down.”

These bombers were mainly crewed by teenagers and men in their early twenties. Veterans Day provides an opportunity to contemplate the extraordinary hazards faced by some of these young men who became our fathers, grandfathers, or great-grandfathers.

Partial Bibliography:

The Forgotten 500 by Gregory Freeman

United States Army Air Forces

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Air_Forces#Army_Air_Forces_created

Giulio Douhet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Douhet#Aerial_strategy

North American P-51 Mustang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_Mustang#P-51_introduction

Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress

http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/b17.html

B-17 Mission Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4bLpU5mf0

Consolidated B-24 Liberator

http://www.aviation-history.com/consolidated/b24.html

Norden bombsight

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight

Ball turret

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_turret

BOEING B-17 FLYING FORTRESS

http://warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/b17fortress_sperry_ball_turret.html

Eighth Air Force Combat Losses (more than 26,000 dead)

HTTP://PERSONAL.PSU.EDU/KBF107/LOSSES.HTML

United States Marine Corps Deaths WW II (nearly 20,000 killed)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps#World_War_II

Images Sperry Ball Turret

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sperry+ball+turret&qpvt=sperry+ball+turret&FORM=IGRE

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner by Randall Jarrell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Ball_Turret_Gunner

From my mother's sleep I fell into the State, And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze. Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life, I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters. When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: airforce; b17; b24
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1 posted on 11/10/2021 3:43:39 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
BY RANDALL JARRELL
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.


2 posted on 11/10/2021 3:57:23 PM PST by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Retain Mike

Didn’t ball turret gunners actually have one of the highest survival rates among bomber crews?


3 posted on 11/10/2021 4:01:20 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress" )
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To: Retain Mike

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner

BY RANDALL JARRELL

From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57860/the-death-of-the-ball-turret-gunner


4 posted on 11/10/2021 4:01:39 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Retain Mike

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/gunner-fell-22000-feet-without-a-parachute-and-survived.html


5 posted on 11/10/2021 4:04:46 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Retain Mike

There was a story on the now AHC about a ball gunner saying bye to his fellow crew just before touchdown on a belly landing.


6 posted on 11/10/2021 4:09:33 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Land is simply a place I visit until I can return to the sea.)
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To: Retain Mike; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; carriage_hill; Lockbox; MtnClimber; All

My Father in Law was a Ball Turret Gunner in the European Theatre. He was shot up, and lost 1 lung and other more minor injuries and finished His hitch at a Desk Job. He passed away before I came into the Family so I never had the opportunity to talk with Him.

God Bless You, Robert.


7 posted on 11/10/2021 4:09:36 PM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: Retain Mike

The noise and motion must have been terribly intense, to say the least.


8 posted on 11/10/2021 4:11:11 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (No nation that sanctions the wholesale slaughter of its unborn citizens is fit to endure.)
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To: mabarker1

Amen


9 posted on 11/10/2021 4:17:07 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: packrat35

B-17 ball turret gunner Staff Sgt Maynard “Snuffy” Smith received the Medal of Honor for action on May 1, 1943. He was the first enlisted member of the USAAF to get the MOH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard_Harrison_Smith


10 posted on 11/10/2021 4:17:35 PM PST by DFG
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To: mabarker1

Nasty position to be in on a 17.


11 posted on 11/10/2021 4:23:35 PM PST by SkyDancer (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: M1903A1
Tail gunner position was no picnic either.


12 posted on 11/10/2021 4:27:01 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Retain Mike

One time when a B24 lost a landing gear and an engine, the ball gunner, knowing he was toast, drew a cartoon of the crippled B24 with two wheels before it landed and he and the crew landed safely.

Twilight Zone?

5.56mm


13 posted on 11/10/2021 4:27:27 PM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: M Kehoe

Steven Spielberg’s “Amazing Stories.”


14 posted on 11/10/2021 4:35:50 PM PST by Publius
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To: Retain Mike

I provided ground support for Aluminum Overcast at an airshow. I got to tour the inside of it. those WWII movies that show all that space inside? Bullshit! I looked at the rear gunners little bicycle seat and the tunnel to get in there and I thought, NO WAY! Big freakin’ stones!

Oh, they had the original pilot there. God bless him.


15 posted on 11/10/2021 4:43:20 PM PST by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: mabarker1

A member of the Greatest Generation.


16 posted on 11/10/2021 4:44:37 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Publius

Thanks.

5.56mm


17 posted on 11/10/2021 4:45:23 PM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: packrat35

FTS...I’m too big and wouldn’t fit.


18 posted on 11/10/2021 4:57:07 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Retain Mike

Thanks for sharing!


19 posted on 11/10/2021 4:58:36 PM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: M1903A1

20 posted on 11/10/2021 5:04:36 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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