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Wondering if anyone out there is knowledgeable about indian artifacts.


1 posted on 12/03/2021 3:32:40 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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That doesn’t look like any of the flint on my ranch. Should be more glass-like. I’ve never seen a flint artifact with a hole in it. I think that would be very hard to do without breaking the piece. My dad found thousands of arrowheads in his lifetime. Even 2 eagle arrowheads. But he has nothing that resembles that type of stone.


42 posted on 12/03/2021 4:47:44 PM PST by texas_mrs (Who says "Cheaters never win"? )
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Doesn't look much like flint to me, at least from these photos. Flint is not polycrystalline like sedimentatary rock (limestone, shale, sandstone) or marble (metamorphic) or granite (igneous) rocks.

Flint is silica, glassy in nature, exhibiting conchoidal fracture like glass. The wear surfaces of the stone in your photos look grainy, and if so, probably not flint. Maybe it is something similar to flint, namely a weathered stone broken off from the aa (pronounced ah^ah) form of basaltic lava, which is suddenly cooled and might be similar in nature to flint.

Think of what arrowheads look like. They are most always made of flint and have very sharp edges, like broken glass does. they are shaped by carefully breaking off tiny shards of glassy flakes by pressing at a point, with a circular fracture front spreading sort of circularly away from the pressure point where initial deliberately induced breaking occurred to relieve the stress.

Your stone is interesting in that it has a cup with a hole formed at the bottom of it. That was quite likely done by design; to what usage I can't guess at this moment.

43 posted on 12/03/2021 4:49:42 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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That doesn’t look like flint. Flint is smooth, chips sharply and is greasy feeling.


47 posted on 12/03/2021 5:02:24 PM PST by SaxxonWoods
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Unless it was carved out with flint, I have no idea why it would have flint in the name.


51 posted on 12/03/2021 5:15:35 PM PST by Bikkuri ("Anyone who trusts this government hasn't been paying attention." <Hat tip to DJ Macwow>)
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I’ve seen this in a nature documentary. The indentations are created by some small animal (can’t remember which) which smashes nuts or shells open on the stones, which, over long periods of time, wore away the stone. They had tons of video of this being done. Small critters of some sort. Super cool.


52 posted on 12/03/2021 5:16:12 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive (Not your guinea pig)
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Wait. I take that back. It could be a firestarter, after looking more closely, it appears there is some “sharp” wear. The asymmetrical thing appears to be more in the upper area, perhaps from the shape of the overall stone. It may have been a somewhat wobbly firestarter, but ... could be what it is.

Could you take to the archaeology department at your local college and ask them?


53 posted on 12/03/2021 5:18:06 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "all's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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This can indeed occur naturally, as people who wade creeks do find similar stones with the culprit still inside the depression doing its work. It looks like a creek stone that had a pebble/cobble in a depression, and over time, with water running steadily over it making the pebble/cobble wobble around in the depression, gradually abrading the surface of the depression as well as the surface of the pebble/cobble. As a result, the depression was at first enlarged as the pebble/cobble became smaller. At some point the little cobble got small and light enough that the hole it was grinding in the depression also became smaller in diameter as it got deeper. The little stone eventually bore all the way through. That isn’t to say a person who needed a mortar or more likely a butting stone wouldn’t find such a stone useful too, and picked it up to take it to their shelter to use in food prep. It just looks like a naturally holed rock more than it does the mortars I have seen. Mortars usually have regular shaped depressions, but this has a very irregular shaped depression. Nutting stones can be more irregular since the depression is just used to hold the nut, not to grind them.


54 posted on 12/03/2021 5:21:34 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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Real Flint






55 posted on 12/03/2021 5:22:05 PM PST by Bikkuri ("Anyone who trusts this government hasn't been paying attention." <Hat tip to DJ Macwow>)
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I think its a small pothole rock from a waterfall plunge pool, but not a big one like these.

more like this:

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63 posted on 12/03/2021 6:12:45 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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Looks like a Ryobi without its battery pack.


64 posted on 12/03/2021 6:19:24 PM PST by Adder (Proud member of the FJB/LGB community. /s is implied where applicable..)
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I would assume it’s a fire starter.


66 posted on 12/03/2021 6:24:19 PM PST by dinodino ( )
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It looks a little big for it, but I remember ages ago seeing something similar, which the museum claimed were “Paint Pots.” The Indians would put water in it, and rub it with a long thinner stone all around like using a mortal and pestle without anything to grind. The stones they chose would give off a fine powder which would mix with the water and produce paint they could use on their faces, or to mark stuff. The stones were weird, in that they could be brown, and produce vivid red paint, or be black and produce a white paint. The more they rubbed, the thicker the paint got.

It might explain the uneven wear pattern, as they would look for a good spot to rub, and wear it in over time. What is the stone like if you put a little water on it and rub it with another stone? Is it wear resistant, or does it wear finely and produce a paste?


73 posted on 12/03/2021 8:35:23 PM PST by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive information, I am under domestic surv coverage, and they will see it too.)
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Fire starter, by rubbing a stick with kindling in the bowl. Or by using a small bow to turn the stick.


74 posted on 12/04/2021 12:26:41 AM PST by Jumper
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It looks like a sink with a drain.


75 posted on 12/04/2021 1:20:59 AM PST by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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You seem confident it’s made of flint. To me, the pictures look more like limestone. What is it that makes you believe it’s flint?


76 posted on 12/04/2021 4:18:59 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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Hunter Biden’s old crack pipe!


80 posted on 12/04/2021 7:38:46 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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