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VAERS Data Indicates the Covid Vaccines Have Killed At Least 140,000 Americans
American Thinker ^ | 9 Dec, 2021 | Vasko Kohlmayer

Posted on 12/09/2021 4:07:21 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: Labyrinthos

Totally bogus argument. You are using numbers that have been proven to be lies and have never historically been used in this manner. The death count from the CDC has always needed 5-7 years to validate and the usual increase in death reports every year are reduced to a handful after verification You simply do not know what these numbers are, what they represent, or how they are used or validated. ‘A little information is dangerous’.

Seeing healthy people succumb to death after the jab is perfectly reasonable to make the connection.


61 posted on 12/09/2021 6:51:27 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Drago

It was a booster!


62 posted on 12/09/2021 7:20:36 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: MtnClimber

Interesting that the tyrants are pushing more for the vaccine and not trying to blame Trump for vaccine deaths.

I guess that will be later after the Jan 6th circus show and the herd is thinned out more.


63 posted on 12/09/2021 7:21:08 AM PST by Trumplican
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“China through 23 months — ( 4,849 deaths since beginning of pandemic / 1,439,323,776 Chinese citizens ) x 100 = 0.0033 %

Source: Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Looking forward to your explanation.”

HAHAHAHA! R U freaking serious!? CNN must be your truth source as well! LOL!


64 posted on 12/09/2021 7:23:34 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: MtnClimber

From what I understand, the number reported by the VAERS is about 1 to 2 percent of the actual total number. Now go back and re-calculate it. It is more than 140,000.


65 posted on 12/09/2021 7:59:48 AM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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To: SgtHooper
No, though you miss the point of the thread of many posts.

If no data, data source of collection methodology is reliable, then all the discussion is moot.

Those advocating for the mRNA injections cite occasional sources, but mostly make assertions without sources. Or fall back to CDC pronouncements.

I am indeed “freaking serious” that the data sources throughout this “pandemic” are constructions, fabrications, forecasts which cannot be proven and blind assertions. That is the point.

The “pandemic” advocates from the start began with “bogus” and continue with “bogus” dressed up beautifully as “science.” And we here Fauci himself say he represents “science.” He represents bureaucracy and profit-harvesting pharmaceuticals. The point of the sentence you excerpted stands. If someone "believes" the JHU data in part, then they must believe it in the whole. Ditto with all the supposedly statistical data sources which one may want to cite. My observation is that the whole darn thing is bogus, there has been a "pandemic" which required the redefinition of pandemic in order to push "vaccines" by redefining vaccines and :boosters" as boosters. The con unravels. My reccomendation to you is to re-read the entire thread, and perhaps you will conclude something other than you have.

66 posted on 12/09/2021 8:07:05 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Tom Tetroxide

Very likely.


67 posted on 12/09/2021 8:07:32 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: Drago

The number isn’t for people who died after being vaccinated.

It’s people who died after an adverse reaction to the vaccine.


68 posted on 12/09/2021 8:08:00 AM PST by saleman
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To: Drago

Funny how no one seems to care how many die per day when “they” tell us how many died from Covid.


69 posted on 12/09/2021 8:10:23 AM PST by saleman
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To: Fury

“It’s never mentioned that VAERS is an open system, where anyone can submit reports”


I did not know that. So, I can access VARES and submit anything. Huh...........


70 posted on 12/09/2021 8:18:08 AM PST by saleman
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To: Tom Tetroxide
The VAERS data has no real value for statistical analysis. The reporting is voluntary and doctors are reluctant to create problems when the whole situation is so politicized. Many reported problems are from months after a jab so there is no real way to determine causality. What is certain is that the VAERS reporting is an unknown percentage of the total number of people that feel they had an adverse reaction.

What would have value is a double blind study between VAXXED ans unVAXXED groups with similar demographics. But, the FDA does not seem interested in that. They seem to want the elimination of the control group by forced jabs.

The the drug companies were funded with billions in taxpayer money. The leftists in elected government, the FDA, CDC and OSHA are doing everything in their power, but being blocked by the courts, to mandate that everyone take the jabs. They take away the ability of suing for damages. AND they refuse to let non-FDA US citizens see the drug trial data that they paid for. The FDA reviewed the drug trial data in only about 4 months from several different drug companies. The data has been requested under FOIA requests, but (at least for the Pfizer BioNTech data) the FDA stated that it would take them 75 years to produce all of the data. I can only guess which data would be held until last.

So there is no scientifically valid, publicly available data on mRNA COVID injection adverse reactions. It just boils down to this - DO YOU TRUST THEM?

71 posted on 12/09/2021 9:03:34 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Mr. K
VAERS does not report car accidents or other types of deaths.

VAERS reports whatever someone enters into it, including accidents and suicides.

But that's beside the point. Regardless of the cause are there more deaths in the vaccinated group than in a comparable unvaccinated group?

If not, there's nothing there.

72 posted on 12/09/2021 9:07:59 AM PST by semimojo
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To: Mr. K
It is specifically about things that could be caused by the vaccine.

The CDC says:

"Everyone is encouraged to report possible adverse events after vaccination to VAERS, even if they are not sure whether the vaccine caused the problem. In general, you should report any side effect or health problem after vaccination that is concerning to you."

As paraphrased by UNMC:

"The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.

That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 223 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination."


73 posted on 12/09/2021 9:14:31 AM PST by semimojo
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To: Drago
Did you read the article and the efforts they used to be very, very conservative with the numbers cited?

In other words, they’ve done their best to underreport rather than sensationalize their numbers and have given their reasons why.

Where have they gone wrong, in your opinion?

Are these vaxx and boosters really “safe and effective” as we are told or are there reasons to be concerned?

74 posted on 12/09/2021 9:49:39 AM PST by GBA (Endeavor to persevere)
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To: MtnClimber

VAXX Macht Frei oder VAXX Macht Todt?


75 posted on 12/09/2021 9:56:10 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: MtnClimber

Already have it. And guess what. I am fine just like all the people I know and just like the public health experts explained.


76 posted on 12/09/2021 11:59:08 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: MtnClimber

It’s a lot more than that. Most people don’t report things to vaers.


77 posted on 12/09/2021 12:46:09 PM PST by Trillian
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To: Trillian

I know, most people don’t report to VAERS. Most doctors don’t report to VAERS even if patients report to them. A 1-2 % reporting means that the real number is really so much more. The people throwing the 1-2% numbers around are naieve or playing games.


78 posted on 12/09/2021 1:40:18 PM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Both JHU and Worldometer use the CCP as a source:
https://source.opennews.org/articles/comparison-four-major-covid-19-data-sources/#johnshopkins

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202112/efdac7bd514b45b8b3b2012d04aefd2a.shtml

An indication of bad data from China is that using their numbers their “CFR/IFR” is 4x higher than the USA. Either really, really bad medical care or bad case/death numbers. Also, it stretches credibility when a similar population country (India) reports 34.6 million COVID cases and China reports 99,000. Cyprus a country with a pop. of 1.2 million is reporting 40,000 mores cases than China for gosh sake!

Anyway, not sure what the case/death numbers from China have to to with the thread topic of (USA) “VAERS Data Indicates the Covid Vaccines Have Killed At Least 140,000 Americans”??


79 posted on 12/09/2021 2:08:45 PM PST by Drago
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Considering the season:

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
80 posted on 12/09/2021 3:07:36 PM PST by Kartographer (“We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes And Our Sacred Honor”)
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