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David Stockman on Why the US Government Is Enforcing the Dead Hand of the Soviet Presidium in Crimea
Internationalman.com ^ | Not available | David Stockman

Posted on 01/24/2022 9:47:12 PM PST by jcon40

Washington’s hypocritical and tendentious accusations against Russia’s reabsorption of Crimea imply that the dead hand of the Soviet presidium must be defended at all costs — as if the security of North Dakota depended upon it!

The allegedly “occupied” territory of Crimea, in fact, was actually purchased from the Ottomans by Catherine the Great in 1783, thereby satisfying the longstanding quest of the Russian czars for a warm-water port. Over the ages, Sevastopol then emerged as a great naval base at the strategic tip of the Crimean peninsula, where it became home to the mighty Black Sea Fleet of the czars and then the Soviet Union.

For the next 171 years Crimea was an integral part of Russia (until 1954). That span equals the 170 years that have elapsed since California was annexed by a similar thrust of “Manifest Destiny” on this continent, thereby providing, incidentally, the United States Navy with its own warm-water port in San Diego.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; ukraine
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See my following post “When America and Russia were friends”

https://www.realclearhistory.com/historiat/2018/10/15/the_crimean_war_when_america_and_russia_were_friends_368.html#!

1 posted on 01/24/2022 9:47:12 PM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

This is a major distraction.

But what is it a distraction from?


2 posted on 01/24/2022 9:54:12 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: jcon40

I went there in I think it was 2007-8. It is ethnically maybe 2/3 Russian, say 1/6 Tatar (purged by Stalin), and maybe 1/6 Ukrainian at that time. All the nice property on the south coast is owned by Russians. The Russian Navy was berthed in Sevastopol. Big old heavy ships.

The Charge of the Light Brigade was obviously suicide - fascinating site on the west end.

It did not feel like Ukraine at all - it felt like Russia.


3 posted on 01/24/2022 10:03:52 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: jcon40

Interesting…somehow these issues never go away. Not major in themselves, but expanded to critical mass by the participation of so many other interests.

It’s good to remember that Turkey was heavily involved then and has always been lurking at the back as a cause of European wars.

Something rather interesting happened a couple of years ago: the Patriarch of Constantinople recognized or confirmed the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as an autocephalous (independent “self-headed”) church not under the Moscow patriarchate. The action seriously annoyed the Russian Orthodox Church (and Russia). This of course also involved all of our favorite players, that corrupt band of nationalist politicians that were enriching Hunter Biden and the Big Guy.

It’s not the key issue, but it is part of the background and the fact that the Patriarch of Constantinople very recently made a statement (considered provocative by the Russians) reaffirming the separation is worth noticing.

Once again, we see the usual European powers and Turkey, with the addition of the bumbling US, poking the bear.

Another thing to bear in mind is that any war that weakened Russia would strengthen or even give domination to China.


4 posted on 01/24/2022 10:27:39 PM PST by livius
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To: FlyingEagle

Good points. It is Russian now but the population was not Russian before Stalin’s ethnic cleaning in 1944.

While it is unfortunate to reward genocide, the area is Russian now and most of the population would rather be united with Russia.


5 posted on 01/24/2022 11:12:12 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: jcon40; Jim Noble; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2022/01/04/the-specter-of-world-war-iii-handiwork-of-washingtons-busy-bodies-and-hegemonists/

Specter Of World War III – Handiwork Of Washington’s Busy-Bodies And Hegemonists

By David Stockman

Stockman was a two-term Congressman from Michigan. He was also the Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan.

After leaving the White House, Stockman had a 20-year career on Wall Street. He’s the author of three books:

The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed

The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America and

TRUMPED! A Nation on the Brink of Ruin… And How to Bring It Back


6 posted on 01/24/2022 11:51:27 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go ...)
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To: jcon40

Mark


7 posted on 01/24/2022 11:57:07 PM PST by sport
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To: jcon40

Russia does not need Crimea to have a warm water port.

Russia has a 400 some mile long coast along the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. Both of these Seas are connected by open water called the Taman Bay.

Google it yourself.


8 posted on 01/25/2022 2:43:22 AM PST by Vaden (First they came for the Confederates... Next they came for Washington... Then they came...)
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To: Vaden

The more ports the better consider where Russia wants it’s fleets. Besides Crimea was largely Russian people for the most part to begin with.....it should have never been handed over for nothing to Ukraine.


9 posted on 01/25/2022 2:46:26 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: fella

DISTRACTION FROM THIS COMING CLOT SHOT NEWS:

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10 posted on 01/25/2022 3:12:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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11 posted on 01/25/2022 3:13:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Nothing coming from Biden’s mouth should be taken seriously at all. Foreign Leaders understand this for obvious reasons.....It’s the leftist press pushing this war along with those in the administration who are currently still unaccountable to anyone.


12 posted on 01/25/2022 3:22:37 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: livius

13 posted on 01/25/2022 3:28:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jcon40

If Putin was smart he would invade Alaska.


14 posted on 01/25/2022 3:29:27 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Ukraine’s got a good thing going.....just say you’re a democracy
and billions of untraceable US tax dollars come pouring in.


U.S. Assistance to Ukraine -— US Embassy in Ukraine Overview

U.S. assistance to Ukraine since 2014 totals over $3.7 billion, plus three $1 billion sovereign loan guarantees.

For FY 2020, Congress has appropriated $698 million: $448 million for State/USAI programs and $250 million for USAI, including $50 million for lethal assistance.

The $448 million appropriation for State/USAI programs includes approximately $285 million in the development accounts and approximately $163 million in the security accounts.

To combat COVID, thus far the United States has provided over $26 million in assistance in new and redirected funding.

This funding will prepare laboratory systems, activate case-finding and event-based surveillance, support technical experts for response and preparedness, bolster risk communication, and support water, sanitation and hygiene interventions for the most vulnerable populations in eastern Ukraine.

Assistance will also counter disinformation, bolster media’s health reporting capacity, expand the government’s ability to continue operating under pandemic-related restrictions, and support Ukraine’s economic recovery.

U.S. assistance priorities:

Security: U.S. programs provide technical assistance, training, and equipment to the Ukrainian Armed Forces and security services to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity and enhance border and internal security.

Countering Russian Aggression: U.S. assistance works to demonstrate the positive effects of national-level reforms for Ukraine, combat the spread of disinformation, and improve Ukraine’s commercial and energy linkages with Western economies.

Anti-Corruption and Rule of Law: Programs support law enforcement and justice sector reform and governance reforms to increase accountability and effectiveness of governance.

Energy Security: Programs improve Ukraine’s energy security by diversifying supply, establishing competitive markets, accelerating legal regulatory reforms to combat corruption, and ensuring compliance with EU standards and commitments.

Economic Growth: Programs support pro-growth reforms such as an improved land market, privatization, increased competition, and transparent corporate governance. U.S. assistance also supports the growth of small- and medium-sized enterprises.

Cybersecurity: Programs help Ukraine protect itself against Russian cyber-enabled attempts to destabilize it. This includes efforts to support Ukraine’s cyber strategy and legal framework, strengthen incident response capabilities, and harden critical infrastructure.

Humanitarian Assistance: Since the conflict began in 2014, the United States has provided nearly $246 million in humanitarian assistance to date for conflict-affected populations.

Assistance includes emergency shelter, provision and distribution of relief commodities, protection of children and the elderly, psychosocial support, water infrastructure repair, and livelihoods and business development support for internally displaced persons.

Election Support:Programs strengthen Ukraine’s election system; increase citizen participation; increase representativeness and responsiveness of political parties; support effective civic oversight; and promote issue-focused media coverage.

The United States is the largest contributor to OSCE’s Special Monitoring Mission, a comprehensive source of information on military and humanitarian developments in areas of eastern Ukraine controlled by Russia.

The United States supports the United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, an important source of information and advocacy for human rights in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

Please visit each section/agency’s page for further information.


15 posted on 01/25/2022 4:46:15 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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Politico.com
By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN
01/11/2017

<>Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire; foreign aid billions threatened
<>Kiev scrambles to make amends with president-elect Trump after working to boost Clinton.

Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

A Politico investigation found
<><>Ukrainian govt officials helped Hillary and trashed Trump, questioning his fitness for office.
<><>They disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>They suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.
<><>They helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect.

And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don’t think we’ve ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we’ve seen in this case.”

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election.

And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.


16 posted on 01/25/2022 4:48:06 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: Liz
A Politico investigation found

Ukrainian govt officials helped Hillary and trashed Trump, questioning his fitness for office.

They disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption

They suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.

They helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

Well, that bunch is worth dying for, right? /s

17 posted on 01/25/2022 4:53:24 AM PST by GOPJ (Ukraine's a stunt and it's NOT OUR PROBLEM. America first - protect OUR borders ... )
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To: GOPJ

.....anything to keep the billions pouring in.....


18 posted on 01/25/2022 4:58:26 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: GOPJ
IN ON THE "DEMOCRACY" SCAM Smirking Hillary pocketed Big Bucks——your tax dollars—— for Ukraine speech.


19 posted on 01/25/2022 5:03:39 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. )
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To: jcon40

While the history as Stockman tells it is true enough, it avoids mentioning that Catherine was not obtaining territory occupied by a majority of Russians. It took mass deportations of various peoples of the Crimea in order to “Russify” the territory. That was followed later on with more mass deportations by the Soviets in 1944. Why? Because the long established people of Crimea were Tartars, a Turkic people but not the same as the Ottomans who occupied Turkey. It is that ethnicity that got them deported from Crimea, out of Russian fear and insecurity that they may one day make league with the Turks of Turkey.
But the Tartars of Crimea had long before become a people that incorporated most all the groups living in the Crimea, including Greeks and others, though the Turkic language and culture became the language and culture of most all the Crimea communities - until the Ottoman empire sale to Catherine, and Catherine and later the Soviets had to “Russify” it. Once Catherine felt comfortable, the deportations ended. But the Soviets deported nearly all the Tartar communities of Crimea in 1944, not allowing any to return until 1989. Just something Stockman left out.


20 posted on 01/25/2022 6:16:45 AM PST by Wuli
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