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What a bunch of frigging liars...
1 posted on 02/18/2022 7:08:29 PM PST by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

Don’t worry the US and it’s NATO allies can be trusted….


2 posted on 02/18/2022 7:12:03 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: Beave Meister

It should’ve dissolved right after the Warsaw Pact did. I can understand our NATO “allies” wanting to keep it together so we’d continue to pay for their defense. But for us, it no longer served a purpose. At least not an America First purpose.


3 posted on 02/18/2022 7:13:20 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Beave Meister

The Military Industrial Complex must be fed the blood and treasure of America.


4 posted on 02/18/2022 7:13:41 PM PST by WMarshal ("No war for communism"I doubt they're smart enough to make the connection)
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To: Beave Meister
Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand

So then Russia got what it wanted from Biden.

7 posted on 02/18/2022 7:16:01 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Beave Meister

11 posted on 02/18/2022 7:20:34 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Beave Meister; All
What a bunch of frigging liars...

You mean like the Russians who have lied and broken every single arms agreement they have ever signed since 1991, which has led to them having the most advanced and powerful nuclear force in the world with more nukes than the USA, the UK and France combined?

Why are we even worried about a "recently discovered paper" according to Russian state media, apparently hidden after all these years (and even denied by Gorbachov, who says there were NO discussions about NATO expansion in those days), but not about the way Russia has taken advantage of Western weakness to militarize their borders with enough Nukes and weaponry to sweet through all of Europe?

But if the United States allegedly had a verbal agreement--that apparently was never made into any kind of signed agreement or treaty--that it violated, who gives a shit about what Russia has done to change the balance off power in the world!

BTW, the Putinists on this forum constantly tell us what goes on in Russia and Ukraine is none of our business. And yet they sure do spend a LOT of time spreading Russian bullshit and propaganda to justify not only the annihilation of Ukraine, but even want Poland stomped on, since Poland's entry into NATO "violated agreements!" with Russia by them joining in 1997!

12 posted on 02/18/2022 7:21:36 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Beave Meister

It’s behind a paywall, but Der Spiegel really did run this story:

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nato-osterweiterung-aktenfund-stuetzt-russische-version-a-1613d467-bd72-4f02-8e16-2cd6d3285295

It is not (yet?) on their international version, but they ran this a few days ago, perhaps as a lead-up to this:

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-is-vladimir-putin-right-a-bf318d2c-7aeb-4b59-8d5f-1d8c94e1964d


13 posted on 02/18/2022 7:22:07 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Beave Meister

I find it hard to believe the Russians would accept that comical sh!t at face value. The fact that they didn’t insist on getting anything in writing is probably a good indication that they had no leverage to oppose it.


15 posted on 02/18/2022 7:27:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Beave Meister

Thanks for posting, it’s now making sense why Russia is so pissed.


17 posted on 02/18/2022 7:35:09 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Beave Meister

We made it clear to the Soviet Union, that NO LONGER EXISTS!!!

all... bets... are... off...


21 posted on 02/18/2022 7:40:31 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Beave Meister

Was that before or after the soviet union dissolved?


22 posted on 02/18/2022 7:41:27 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( what is scarier than offensive words? Not being able to say them. )
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To: Beave Meister

Hillary Clinton used an unsecured server for State Department business. She sold access to the White House. She also backed the moving van up to the White House and absconded with government property when she and Bill left.


28 posted on 02/18/2022 7:50:09 PM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Beave Meister
“the West made it “clear” to the Soviet Union”

LOL ! That's what the mid rank western dudes allegedly TOLD the mid rank Soviet dudes. Nothing was put on paper and the Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago.

It's the same old crap, which according to Russian propaganda somehow “justifies” their aggression toward their neighbors.

+ the NATO expansion took place 20 years ago and before Russia started changing borders by force, the amount of “western” military east of Germany was basically zero, it's not significant even now.

Modern Russia broke the INF, CFE and nearly every treaty they signed so playing the victim card bringing up some +30 years old non binding talks is simply pathetic.

56 posted on 02/19/2022 10:06:02 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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