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The beauty of socialized medicine is that…

Every person dependent on government medical care who is NOT resuscitated saves the government 50+K per year (at a minimum).

IOW…there is a perverse incentive to NOT resuscitate. Hug grandma…

1 posted on 03/26/2022 8:16:19 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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“In the UK, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, known as NICE, is the official advisory body to the health care world.”

Nice acronym. :-) One of these days we need a thread for everyone to come up with their favorite acronyms - in use or not. FUJBATHYRIO


2 posted on 03/26/2022 8:21:17 AM PDT by plain talk
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If I'm sick enough to die, it may be my time. In that case I would sign a DNR
3 posted on 03/26/2022 8:24:14 AM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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If a list like that comes here, the first people on it should be the octogenarians in Congress. They cost us a lot more than $50K a year...


4 posted on 03/26/2022 8:24:58 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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One arm medical alert says “Pacemaker”. The other says “Must Resuscitate” along with my lawyers phone number. My lawyer happens to be my daughter.


5 posted on 03/26/2022 8:27:37 AM PDT by blackdog (Today's "disinformation" most often turns out to be tomorrow's facts. )
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Thanks for reminding me that I should review my Healthcare Proxy.


6 posted on 03/26/2022 8:31:16 AM PDT by delchiante
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https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/ny-issues-do-not-resuscitate-guideline-for-cardiac-patients/

Let us not forget. New York chose to let people die rather than burden hospitals with their care.

Does anyone really think that this is not leading to government mandating your death? That’s what it did in New York.


7 posted on 03/26/2022 8:42:35 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.)
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Rationales for DNR orders: minimal medical benefit and poor quality of life after CPR.

There are many who think CPR (training, books) is just a money making scheme for the American Heart Institute as the success rate in pretty low (and it’s a painful way to spend the last 30 minutes of your life).


8 posted on 03/26/2022 8:49:10 AM PDT by consult
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THIS IS IN THE UK WITH SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

Caps intentional.


10 posted on 03/26/2022 8:52:04 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot (Recovering Kalifornian... Loving Alabama!)
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When they could send all those covid patients to retirement homes despite completely empty medical ships moored a mile away, that was like nirvana to demonrats, being able to repurpose all that pension money suddenly freed up


12 posted on 03/26/2022 8:58:20 AM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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The hospital ignored my grandfather’s DNR request three times I think. Way to stretch out his life for another week and a half in the hospital.


17 posted on 03/26/2022 9:23:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil...-Churchill)
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I’ve got a great moneymaking idea. Set everyone to default “do not resuscitate”, but sell licenses to authorize resuscitation. The licenses are good for 1 month, cost $1000, and must be set up on an auto-pay system, with a minimum purchase of 2 years (i.e. $24,000) for a new customer, with annual renewals after that. If and only if you have an active Resuscitate membership, will health care workers attempt to save your life.


20 posted on 03/26/2022 9:30:08 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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So, doc wants a paycheck but doesn’t want to be bothered with actually working on his patient.


23 posted on 03/26/2022 9:43:20 AM PDT by marron
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26 posted on 03/26/2022 9:52:16 AM PDT by David Chase
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A reminder that DNRs are about much more than CPR.

Below is a link to a research paper showing the hospital used a DNR to let a patient die of a drug overdose that was a hospital’s error.

This wasn’t chest compressions, electrical defibrillation or mechanical intervention; it was a shot. (naloxone is effective for 30-90 minutes, multiple shots are often given)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378545/- “The discontinuation order for morphine was not transcribed and the patient was administered both the morphine and hydromorphone for 3 days. She was found unresponsive, with a low respiratory rate. The orders were then reviewed, and the error was detected. The opioids were held and opioid toxicity was treated with 1 dose of naloxone (0.2 mg intravenously). The patient’s vital signs normalized after the administration of naloxone. An hour later, the patient was found unresponsive with a low respiratory rate. because there was a “do not resuscitate” (DNR) order in place, no resuscitation was started. Opioid toxicity was deemed to have caused death.”


27 posted on 03/26/2022 9:53:42 AM PDT by Varda
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The US government’s medical community death squads created by the Obozo and written into the Affordable Health Care Act are obviously in secret full operation. You think maybe those federal officials and those who serve them who pushed the ACA death squads knew a deadly pandemic was coming? DUH!!


34 posted on 03/26/2022 10:20:35 AM PDT by drypowder
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My wife died a year ago yesterday, at home. She had gone into nonresponsive seizures beginning on Christmas day, because of hyperammonia, a result of liver failure, after years of MS and other disorders. The previous seizure occurred on our anniversary, Feb 4, and she was in the hospital for five weeks, ICU, ward, then rehab. When she finally got home, she signed a DNR, and begged us not to let the medicals take her to the hospital again. We could see the seizure coming, and had to watch her die, but it would have happened at some point even if there had been another incident. It was best for her, and I am content with where she is. That is what DNR is intended for, and should not be used to wipe out the “unnecessary population.”


35 posted on 03/26/2022 10:24:54 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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When you're a patient in any ER in America your asked as a matter of routine “Do you have a living will?’’

A no answer doesn't mean you're automatically made to have one and you can voluntarily ask to have “DNR’’ put on your chart. In other countries, with socialized medicine things are different apparently but it's not like that here. Honest to God these ''journalists'' ought to do some real research once and a while.

37 posted on 03/26/2022 10:45:14 AM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: Taxman

Ping


38 posted on 03/26/2022 10:58:08 AM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA!)
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April 21, 2020 - New York State issued DNR guideline for cardiac patients during Covid:

NY issues do-not-resuscitate guideline for cardiac patients amid coronavirus

Once it was reported in the news, the State rescinded the order the next day:

New York scraps do-not-resuscitate order during coronavirus pandemic

41 posted on 03/26/2022 11:49:09 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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The British have been murdering some 120,000 people a year.
IF you end up at a hospital and are on a death list you may end up being left in a ambulance in the parking lot to die or if inside the hospital you will die in a hallway on a bed or if in a room where you get no water or food let alone medicine. This horror has been going on for decades there.
Below is just one of the articles you can find.
Search on: Liverpool Care Pathway, Daily Mail

Their major newspapers have done many articles on the killings.

Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223286/Hospitals-bribed-patients-pathway-death-Cash-incentive-NHS-trusts-meet-targets-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.html


42 posted on 03/26/2022 11:51:55 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy gas)
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