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Ancient elites drank wine infused with vanilla, says study
Decanter ^ | April 1, 2022 | Chris Mercer

Posted on 04/06/2022 8:17:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: Codeflier

“Probably helped cover the bad taste of many wines back then.”

There’s a lot more fermenting in those containers then grapes... And back then I can only imagine it was worse.


21 posted on 04/06/2022 9:50:34 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“All tree sap has sugar in it. The sap from the sugar maple just has more then usual.”

I’ve had Sycamore syrup and paper bark Birch syrup.

A paper bark Birch has a lot of sap... It’s amazing the amount of sap that comes out of a paper bark birch tree it’ll flood the ground around the tree if you cut a branch off.

The best violin rosin comes from Sycamore sap as well.


22 posted on 04/06/2022 9:55:29 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Clutch Martin
Birch syrup is really good.

As with most things the rub is the energy required to turn sap into syrup.

100 gallons of birch sap for 1 gallon of syrup.

40 gallons of sugar maple sap for 1 gallon of syrup.

23 posted on 04/06/2022 10:04:09 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, SunkenCiv!


24 posted on 04/06/2022 10:05:51 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting. Was that red or white wine? Or?

I love vanilla, might try it in a glass or two of wine, but not expensive wine.


25 posted on 04/06/2022 10:08:06 AM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness offends me)
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To: dsrtsage

Say what?....................

26 posted on 04/06/2022 10:20:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought the phrase “...during the Babylonian destruction....” somewhere. Caught my eye.


27 posted on 04/06/2022 10:21:08 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Suppose they used the storage containers for different things at different times?


28 posted on 04/06/2022 10:54:01 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SunkenCiv

This seems like bad journalism and possible bad research.

Why was the researchers’ thought “hmm what could explain this vanillin? Must be vanilla.” and not “what has vanillin in it and could be associated with wine?”

Oak would be the natural first thought for someone who drinks wine, knows much of anything about wine, botany, chemistry, etc...

An online magazine that caters to wine folk would... or should, answer that question in the article. “Hints of vanilla” is so common for oaked wines and even an amateur drunk who goes to wine tastings a few times a year would probably know this.

Was there something involved in the research that eliminated oak as a candidate explanation? If so, the article should address this. If not, the article is remiss about not addressing it.


29 posted on 04/06/2022 10:55:31 AM PDT by jz638
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To: SunkenCiv

Ancient elites were just as drunk as they are now 🤪

I could have told you that


30 posted on 04/06/2022 11:00:02 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: SunkenCiv

Vanilla Orchids

31 posted on 04/06/2022 11:10:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I bet they smell nice. :^)


32 posted on 04/06/2022 11:16:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: jz638

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4052777/posts?page=7#7

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4052777/posts?page=10#10


33 posted on 04/06/2022 11:17:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: katana

“This may be like when they found traces of cocaine on Egyptian mummies.”

Don’t share this tidbit with Hunter Biden. It won’t end well.


34 posted on 04/06/2022 1:39:42 PM PDT by MercyFlush (I don't follow the science. I follow the money. )
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To: mylife

P


35 posted on 04/06/2022 2:38:44 PM PDT by Liz ("Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
My pleasure.

36 posted on 04/07/2022 7:07:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Vanillin is not vanilla. It is what you make artificial vanilla flavoring out of and can be found in oak.

If you're lucky. If you're unlucky, the artificial flavor is (heh) beaver "expression".

37 posted on 04/07/2022 7:30:53 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Brass Lamp
Anything Beaver is a lot more expensive then a chunk of oak.
38 posted on 04/07/2022 11:07:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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To: jz638
Why was the researchers’ thought “hmm what could explain this vanillin? Must be vanilla.” and not “what has vanillin in it and could be associated with wine?”

Because they specialize.

For the most part experts do not go outside their own little tiny little square of knowledge. The reason is there is so much to learn and know in that one area that stuffing their heads with more generalize knowledge would be a waste of valuable time and brain space.

It is why you read some of the things put out by experts and think, "you have GOT to be kidding me". It is not that they are stupid, they are not. But ignorant outside a certain space? Oh yes.

Which is why they should run their theory's by a few generalists before announcing them to the world.

But they don't.

I am not exactly sure why.

But it is the reason I am absolutely again experts being put in charge of anything. They can tell you everything about the drop, but they often do not even see the ocean before them.

39 posted on 04/07/2022 11:16:02 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It is better to light a single flame thrower then curse the darkness. A bunch of them is better yet)
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