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The Coming Split
American Greatness ^ | December 27, 2022 | Dan Gelernter

Posted on 12/28/2022 3:25:09 PM PST by Robert DeLong

What should we do when a majority of Republicans want Trump, but the Republican Party says we can’t have him?

Last week I wrote about Teddy Roosevelt and Donald Trump. My comparison wasn’t between the two men as presidents—though they had some similar personality traits—but between how the two men were treated by the Republican Party. The Republican Party of 1912 decided it would be better off renominating William Howard Taft, even though its voters would have preferred another Roosevelt term. The resulting split ushered in Woodrow Wilson and the first academic globalists, whose bright ideas laid the groundwork for a second world war on the eve of the conclusion of the first.

Of the three men who were candidates in 1912, Taft probably would have made the best president. Though TR took a muscular attitude towards American interests abroad, he eventually decided he had the power to lay claim to gigantic tracts of American land and to regulate the prices of private railroad tickets. His megalomania did substantial damage to individual liberty long before his cousin FDR had similar ideas.


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Trump was the first president since Ronald Reagan (or some would argue, since earlier than that) who seemed to appreciate the dangers of unaccountable, unlimited, deep-state government. And I’m willing to bet he’d appreciate those dangers a lot more in a second term, having fallen victim to them himself in the 2020 election.

But, despite the obvious differences, we’re heading for a 1912-repeat, in which the Republican Party ignores its own voters. The Republican machine has no intention of letting us choose Trump again: He is not a uniparty team player. They’d rather lose an election to the Democrats, their brothers in crime, than win with Trump.

That's why I continue to support Trump, and every one should continue to do the same also.

If you want more of the same, by all means vote for DeSantis. You will get what you deserve , more of the same. I desire real change, not more of the same.

1 posted on 12/28/2022 3:25:09 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Me, I’m voting for the better of two evils, because that’s worked out so well for America during the past 40 years.

We need lawyers turned career politicians, not leaders!

Wake up!


2 posted on 12/28/2022 3:27:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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by all means vote for DeSantis.

Why? Is he running for some office?

Are you scared that he might run for something?

If you're scared, say you're scared.

3 posted on 12/28/2022 3:31:31 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Robert DeLong

4 posted on 12/28/2022 3:33:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: humblegunner
There are many who say they will vote for DeSantis. I think DeSantis is all about furthering his political career.

If I were scared, I would indeed say I was scared. I was just stating my position.

I have another position about you also, but I will refrain from stating that opinion, as many here have already done so.

5 posted on 12/28/2022 3:37:27 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Robert DeLong wrote: “But, despite the obvious differences, we’re heading for a 1912-repeat, in which the Republican Party ignores its own voters. The Republican machine has no intention of letting us choose Trump again: He is not a uniparty team player. They’d rather lose an election to the Democrats, their brothers in crime, than win with Trump.”

The days of the nominee being selected in some smoky backroom are over. The voters will decide in the primaries between the candidates.


6 posted on 12/28/2022 3:39:34 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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The GOP is a total waste of time....

The first Bush destroyed the party..


7 posted on 12/28/2022 3:43:53 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Robert DeLong
If you want more of the same, by all means vote for DeSantis. You will get what you deserve , more of the same. I desire real change, not more of the same.

Trump was president for four years. Why are things "the same" now, and how would Trump change them in his second term?
8 posted on 12/28/2022 3:45:14 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Robert DeLong
They’d rather lose an election to the Democrats, their brothers in crime, than win with Trump.

We just saw that in Arizona and Georgia.

9 posted on 12/28/2022 3:47:15 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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It was TR’s fault - he declared that he would not run for a second full term in 1912 - he realized he made a mistake with that promise and the GOP held him to it.


10 posted on 12/28/2022 3:49:07 PM PST by EC Washington
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To: Robert DeLong

The people are never given the choice of voting for a platform that gives them exactly what they want: social conservatism and the interventionist state. Instead, the center-Left offers an interventionist state combined with social liberalism. The center-Right offers social conservatism combined with pro-business policies.

Given this setup, you’d think that as the Left and Right trade power, the people would get at least half of what they want all the time. But somehow it doesn’t work out that way.

When the Left is in power, it is more effective at delivering the half of its platform favored by the elites: social liberalism. When the Right is in power, it is also more effective at delivering the half of its platform favored by the elites: tax cuts for the rich, free trade, open borders, etc.

A system in which the majority get none of what they want, all the time cannot be seriously described as a democracy.

If TR had had Twitter and a YouTube channel, the Bull Moose Party would still be in power.


11 posted on 12/28/2022 3:49:11 PM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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Eff the Repugnicans.

Eff the Demoncraps. (After first setting them on fire.)

Eff Political Parties. ALL of them.

EFF POLITICS, POLITICIANS, and 'ELITISTS'.

12 posted on 12/28/2022 3:54:45 PM PST by GaltAdonis
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"That's why I continue to support Trump, and every one should continue to do the same also."

Too many people are willing to accept things the way they are. They will hold their nose, and vote for the asshole Republicans just to keep the seat Republican. That's why the GOP will never be reformed. When you mention third party, they whine that a third party would have no chance. The Republican Party was organized out of other parties when it was started back in 1854. If they hadn't taken a chance in 1854, despite losing with their Presidential Candidate John C. Fremont, Abe Lincoln never would have become President. If you don't even try, you have no right to say it will fail. I'd rather try and fail, than never to have tried at all.

13 posted on 12/28/2022 3:56:56 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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This sounds like the first step toward much of the Republican base’s protesting in 2024 by staying home and not voting at all. That kind of passivity will only make things worse.


14 posted on 12/28/2022 3:57:17 PM PST by Coyote Choir ( )
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To: Robert DeLong

I’m voting GEOTUS Trump, if they disqualify him or whatever. I’m going to write him in.


15 posted on 12/28/2022 4:00:00 PM PST by Conservative4Life (thy merchants were great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev18:23)
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To: mass55th

There was also that Slavery\Civil War thing on the horizon. Not a valid comparison!


16 posted on 12/28/2022 4:00:57 PM PST by Reily
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To: Travis McGee

That meme is right on...


17 posted on 12/28/2022 4:05:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"Why are things "the same" now, and how would Trump change them in his second term?"

It's the same now, because people keep sending the same useless Republicans back to Congress. We like to say the Democrats are the prime example of insanity, doing the same thing over, and over again, expecting a different outcome the next time. But that's exactly what Republican voters have been doing for years. They claim they want change, but will then vote for a Republican they know is an asshole, just to keep the seat Republican. The GOP can never be reformed because of that insane cycle. It isn't up to President Trump to change things. It's up to the American people to change things. Don't expect Congressional Republicans to stop voter fraud. They sanctioned it on January 6th.

18 posted on 12/28/2022 4:05:24 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: Reily
"There was also that Slavery\Civil War thing on the horizon."

The Civil War wasn't anywhere near fruition in 1854, or on anyone's mind when the Republican Party was organized. They were against the spread of slavery to the west, and knew they wouldn't have the support of Southern Democrats at that time, yet they still forged ahead, and put up their own candidate for President. The Party organizers must have thought that despite Fremont losing the 1854 election, that it was worth trying again in 1860. Thankfully, they didn't just pack their bags and gone home.

19 posted on 12/28/2022 4:11:00 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: Coyote Choir
You just don't get it. It can only get worse, as it has been doing for the last 50 or more years, unless we can get true reform.

The formation of the Republican Party was a 3rd party, That 2rd party was able to replace the Whig Party.

20 posted on 12/28/2022 4:15:33 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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